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Old July 12th 03, 06:04 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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The only viewers who are gaining by the whole thing so far, are the
non licence-paying freeloaders in mainland Europe. This. At the
same time that licence-paying viewers in the UK are losing access to
some of the channels.


Except those living in continental Europe were simply obtaining FTV cards
before, at a cost to the licence payer of 12 a piece.

Az.

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Old July 12th 03, 09:53 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:04:00 GMT, "Aztech" pausing to
cast envious glances at those who had mastered the skill of reading
without moving their lips, wrote:

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The only viewers who are gaining by the whole thing so far, are the
non licence-paying freeloaders in mainland Europe. This. At the
same time that licence-paying viewers in the UK are losing access to
some of the channels.


Except those living in continental Europe were simply obtaining FTV cards
before, at a cost to the licence payer of 12 a piece.


Now some of those already paying the full UK licence fee, are being
expected to cough up for a minimum Sky subscription to watch the
channels they were previously getting 'free'

Those who do buy into the Sky rip-off, will end up paying 260+
(that's Sky plus licence) a year. Losing 12 on those cards going to
freeloaders, seems like a bargain.


In that case why were you harping on about the BBC in the above posts, they're
more assessable than ever without need for Sky digiboxes and smartcards, they
are fulfilling their licence fee commitments.

Your wrath should be firmly focused on ITV/C4/Five, it's their decision to
amalgamate themselves into Sky, they could continue to fund the FTV cards if
they wished but they never did so in the past nor do they seem willing to do so
now. Unless you expected the BBC to foot the bill for everything, including
commercial broadcasters, despite the fact they have no use for conditional
access themselves.

Az.

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Old July 12th 03, 11:15 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:04:00 GMT, "Aztech" pausing to
cast envious glances at those who had mastered the skill of reading
without moving their lips, wrote:

wrote in message

The only viewers who are gaining by the whole thing so far, are the
non licence-paying freeloaders in mainland Europe. This. At the
same time that licence-paying viewers in the UK are losing access to
some of the channels.


Except those living in continental Europe were simply obtaining FTV cards
before, at a cost to the licence payer of 12 a piece.


Now some of those already paying the full UK licence fee, are being
expected to cough up for a minimum Sky subscription to watch the
channels they were previously getting 'free'

But now the BBC is FTA on Astra 2D they will attract like a magnet
other FTA channels to Astra 2D, many new ones will start,
e.g. maybe WH Smiths or Live TV, etc will get back in to broadcasting ?

Steve Terry



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Old July 13th 03, 07:01 AM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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Aztech wrote:

Except those living in continental Europe were simply obtaining FTV cards
before, at a cost to the licence payer of £12 a piece.


Many of those people do in fact pay the UK licence fee and merely want
to watch in their holiday homes the programmes for which they have
already paid in the UK.

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Old July 13th 03, 10:11 AM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:55:32 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

The weather in Norwegian and Swedish presented by Eva Burtnes,
and Anne Marie Foss, tastefully and pointlessly in bikinis of course,
no one cared that they had no idea what they were saying.


Don't forget the evening dresses, too.

Actually, as a cable subscriber in the early 90s, "he Weather in
Norwegian" was one of the most entertaining bits of my cable package -
the rest was mostly dreadful!

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Old July 13th 03, 12:33 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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I've got a tape you sent me a few years ago containing a one hour
sampler of their output. Alongside today's BBC THREE and ITV2 offerings,
it looks quite intellectual.

I must of sent you the heavily edited highlights ?
Sun readers complained Live TV was too down market.


http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...966364,00.html

Apparently the weather was filmed two weeks in advance, it was just a matter of
luck. They originally started the channel as a ruse for cableco's to compete for
Premiership rights, then it just descended into a joke, dear god. For some
reason I think of Janet Street Porter blowing the budget on the most stupid
things, like useless antique furniture, a forerunner to the dotcoms no doubt.

Az.

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Old July 13th 03, 03:01 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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You seem to be under the impression that the licence fee is there to pay for
everything, it isn't, it's certainly not for cross-subsiding commercial
broadcasters which have a combined income that exceeds the licence fee.


One thing it's certainly not there for, is the subsidizing of
entertainment radio stations, intended for listeners in mainland
Europe.... It doesn't seem to stop the BBC from planning to do just
that though. So it would seem they can waste licence money on some
things - of benefit to no UK viewers/listeners, but not on other
things that might be...

Where's the legitimate basis for that? Or even the logic? Now what
was that you were saying about "twist the logic around" ?


I don't support them wasting our money on pointless replication that is of not
benefit to UK residents, nor is that happening at the moment, who knows if it
will happen. Not that this would justify them wasting money on other things
anyway.


The only reason why the licence fee continues to exist is because they have

to
be seen to be spending the money on worthy output that wouldn't be

commercially
viable, that doesn't involve wasting money on commercial broadcasters.


A recently retired ex-BBC executive, said in an interview that the
main reason he had always been in favour of retaining the licence, was
because it "allowed the BBC enormous freedoms in pursuing what might
be thought by others to be uncommercial or uneconomic ventures."

A paraphrase of that, might be: 'We can waste the licence-payers
money however we like, because they can't do anything about it'


Even if 50% of the budget is wasted on dross on BBC One it's still worth 116 to
me, so it depends how you view wastage compared to other things, for instance,
council tax has gone up nearly twice that figure combined with a deterioration
in service, not that they do anything for me other than emptying the bins.

There's a valid reason for maintaining the licence fee, if only if it keeps old
James in enough beer and fags so he's reasonably content.

Az.

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Old July 13th 03, 04:03 PM posted to alt.satellite.tv.europe,alt.satellite.tv.europe.sky,uk.tech.tv.sky
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:46:31 GMT, "Aztech" pausing to
cast envious glances at those who had mastered the skill of reading
without moving their lips, wrote:

Tough! You can't have everything you want. Particularly if
somebody else has to pay for you, via a tax.


Except it wasn't tough, they had FTV cards ship over in the thousands, each
costing 12.


NO!

They didn't *have* to do anything. They spent 12 of their own money,
by their own free choice, in buying a card which allowed them to view
some additional television channels that they were never intended to
be viewing where they were living.


You miss the point, they were spending our money! Each FTV card sent out on
behalf of the BBC cost the licence payer 12. What other dealers charged people
abroad is a different matter.


Now if you want to talk about things people have to do, you might like
to start with the UK viewers who have to pay a TV licence-fee -
nearly ten times the price of one of those viewing cards.


Many didn't pay a penny, it cost the licence payer 12 for each card.

Az.

 




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