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C4 HD to leave Freesat on Thur 22nd Feb



 
 
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Old February 22nd 18, 09:12 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Jeff Layman[_2_]
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On 22/02/18 09:34, Bill Wright wrote:
Would Sky have invested so much in it if there was no
public interest?


The marketing model is to create the public interest first, then pull
the product out of a hat and tell them that's what they've been waiting
for. The challenge is getting the pricing right - too expensive, and
they won't (or can't) buy it. Too cheap, and the financial investment
may never be reclaimed.

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  #32  
Old February 22nd 18, 09:18 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Thursday, 22 February 2018 09:03:34 UTC, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
absolutely right Bill, sky have queered the pitch so to speak,
why should they have access to all the HD channels


Simply because Sky has revenue of a few billion pounds a year to spend on
satellite transponders and technology, and to pay channels to appear on their
platform.

That was why so many HD channels appeared only on Sky first, and many are still
Sky only, like E4/More4 HD, because Channel 4 makes money doing so, rather than
dipping into it's profits to do so.

You can not expect commercial broadcasters to pay the extra costs of HD
distribution with zero additional revenue, particularly the complexity of
needing multiple HD channels for multiple regions, easier to arrange on
Freeview than Freesat.

Angus


I for one am most unlikely to watch Formula 1 on SD, indeed I view it much less since it fragmented. Above all I am not going to pay scumbag Murdochs to do so.

Obviously having major events in HD is s draw, otherwise $ky would not be able to charge whopping subscriptions to do so. This means that there will be more viewers paying more attention if F1 is broadcast on HD - ergo increased advertising revenue.
  #33  
Old February 22nd 18, 09:41 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Thursday, 22 February 2018 10:12:24 UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 22/02/18 09:34, Bill Wright wrote:
Would Sky have invested so much in it if there was no
public interest?


The marketing model is to create the public interest first, then pull
the product out of a hat and tell them that's what they've been waiting
for. The challenge is getting the pricing right - too expensive, and
they won't (or can't) buy it. Too cheap, and the financial investment
may never be reclaimed.

--

Jeff


$ky's business plan was to corner the market in English language satellite TV. As well as buying up all the rights and satellite slots, they also insisted that customers use proprietary receiving equipment (the latest being non standard LNB's) rather the Common Interface and Conditional Access Modules built into every TV and satellite receiver sold in Europe for over a decade.

$ky were allowed to do this after Murdoch agreed to back Blair for the 1997 election.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/mu...f-1144087.html
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Old February 22nd 18, 10:13 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Andy Burns[_12_]
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:

use proprietary receiving equipment (the latest being non standard LNB's)


Wideband LNBs are just a newer standard, nothing SKY proprietary about
them ...
  #35  
Old February 22nd 18, 10:15 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:

I for one am most unlikely to watch Formula 1 on SD


What's wrong with C4 HD on terrestrial?
  #36  
Old February 22nd 18, 10:26 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Alan White[_3_]
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:24 +0000, Andy Burns
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What's wrong with C4 HD on terrestrial?


Some people can't receive terrestrial, like us before we moved into
civilisation(?) last August.

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  #37  
Old February 22nd 18, 10:33 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
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absolutely right Bill, sky have queered the pitch so to speak,
why should they have access to all the HD channels


Simply because Sky has revenue of a few billion pounds a year to spend on
satellite transponders and technology, and to pay channels to appear on their
platform.

That was why so many HD channels appeared only on Sky first, and many are still
Sky only, like E4/More4 HD, because Channel 4 makes money doing so, rather than
dipping into it's profits to do so.

You can not expect commercial broadcasters to pay the extra costs of HD
distribution with zero additional revenue, particularly the complexity of
needing multiple HD channels for multiple regions, easier to arrange on
Freeview than Freesat.

Angus

  #38  
Old February 22nd 18, 10:33 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
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Default C4 HD to leave Freesat on Thur 22nd Feb

I for one am most unlikely to watch Formula 1 on SD, indeed I
view it much less since it fragmented. Above all I am not going
to pay scumbag Murdochs to do so.


Sky used Formula 1 to promote it's early 10/month HD package, by including it
'free' in the entertainment package without needing any sports packages.

Although that HD package no longer exists, Sky has been good enough (amazingly)
to continue providing Formula 1 for those legacy subscribers as long as you
don't change any packages, when it gets lost again. So I still have it now on
Sky Q. But I still prefer the Channel 4 coverage, when it's live.

Angus
  #39  
Old February 22nd 18, 11:00 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default C4 HD to leave Freesat on Thur 22nd Feb

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 11:13:27 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

use proprietary receiving equipment (the latest being non standard LNB's)


Wideband LNBs are just a newer standard, nothing SKY proprietary about
them ...


They are just being different so you can't plug your $ky dish into a CI receiver or Freesat TV - like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in#Apple_Inc.

If anything fibre optic LNB's are the new standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_...e_distribution
  #40  
Old February 22nd 18, 11:01 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Thursday, 22 February 2018 11:15:25 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

I for one am most unlikely to watch Formula 1 on SD


What's wrong with C4 HD on terrestrial?


Lower bit rate probably and there was an announcement on it yesterday evening.
 




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