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I was listening to a presentation by a company talking about the various
spacecraft supported by their sat nav and they said it was Galileo ready after a software update. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it must be at least a decade ago, these craft were supposed to be going into orbit for the European gps system. Its still not working? Blimey I bet its cost zillions! Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! |
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On Tuesday, 20 February 2018 08:50:09 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was listening to a presentation by a company talking about the various spacecraft supported by their sat nav and they said it was Galileo ready after a software update. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it must be at least a decade ago, these craft were supposed to be going into orbit for the European gps system. Its still not working? Blimey I bet its cost zillions! Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! Fully operational by 2020 (claimed), five billion Euros, however high precision is charged for. |
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"Galileo, the long-awaited European global navigation satellite systems, ....is expected to be fully operational for 2021. Alongside it, the European geostationary navigation overlay system (EGNOS), which improves the accuracy and integrity of the American global positioning system (GPS) over EU territory, ...is estimated that by 2020, the EU and European Space Agency will have invested more than €13 billion in these programmes." April 2017 from http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...9599406_EN.pdf. On 20/02/2018 20:04, R. Mark Clayton wrote: On Tuesday, 20 February 2018 08:50:09 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: I was listening to a presentation by a company talking about the various spacecraft supported by their sat nav and they said it was Galileo ready after a software update. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it must be at least a decade ago, these craft were supposed to be going into orbit for the European gps system. Its still not working? Blimey I bet its cost zillions! Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! Fully operational by 2020 (claimed), five billion Euros, however high precision is charged for. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:50:06 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: I was listening to a presentation by a company talking about the various spacecraft supported by their sat nav and they said it was Galileo ready after a software update. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it must be at least a decade ago, these craft were supposed to be going into orbit for the European gps system. Its still not working? Blimey I bet its cost zillions! Brian Galileo IS operational, but not yet with the full complement of satellites. Not all smartphones are able to receive it: most new ones can or will. My Samsung S8+ usually sees and uses 4 or 5 Galileo satellites. |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:15:52 +0000, lid wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:50:06 -0000, "Brian Gaff" wrote: I was listening to a presentation by a company talking about the various spacecraft supported by their sat nav and they said it was Galileo ready after a software update. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it must be at least a decade ago, these craft were supposed to be going into orbit for the European gps system. Its still not working? Blimey I bet its cost zillions! Brian Galileo IS operational, but not yet with the full complement of satellites. Not all smartphones are able to receive it: most new ones can or will. My Samsung S8+ usually sees and uses 4 or 5 Galileo satellites. Meant to post this link: https://www.gsc-europa.eu/system-sta...on-Information |
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![]() "Brian Gaff" wrote in message news ![]() Well all a bit late and too costly unless of course there is a secret deal to start ramping up the cost of using them with good accuracy. As this is a passive system, how can they possibly charge people to use it? tim |
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On 21/02/2018 08:30, tim... wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message news ![]() Well all a bit late and too costly unless of course there is a secret deal to start ramping up the cost of using them with good accuracy. As this is a passive system, how can they possibly charge people to use it? Encryption on the more accurate service - cf eg Sky's charges for TV packages. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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![]() "Robin" wrote in message ... On 21/02/2018 08:30, tim... wrote: "Brian Gaff" wrote in message news ![]() Well all a bit late and too costly unless of course there is a secret deal to start ramping up the cost of using them with good accuracy. As this is a passive system, how can they possibly charge people to use it? Encryption on the more accurate service - cf eg Sky's charges for TV packages. So they can charge you for the "technology" in a chip that decrypts it but how can they do that on anything other than a "one time fee" model. The analogy with Sky falls down here as Sky have some means to disable your device if you don't pay a sub, Galileo doesn't And they are somewhat limited in how high a fee they can charge because they don't have the capability of manufacturing the chips. They will have to subcontract that out to one of the world chip produces. And no-one is going to take that work on if the license fee is so high sales of the end product are minimal. tim |
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On 21/02/2018 09:33, tim... wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 21/02/2018 08:30, tim... wrote: "Brian Gaff" wrote in message news ![]() secret deal to start ramping up the cost of using them with good accuracy. As this is a passive system, how can they possibly charge people to use it? Encryption on the more accurate service - cf eg Sky's charges for TV packages. So they can charge you for the "technology" in a chip that decrypts it but how can they do that on anything other than a "one time fee" model. The analogy with Sky falls down here as Sky have some means to disable your device if you don't pay a sub, Galileo doesn't And they are somewhat limited in how high a fee they can charge because they don't have the capability of manufacturing the chips.Â* They will have to subcontract that out to one of the world chip produces.Â* And no-one is going to take that work on if the license fee is so high sales of the end product are minimal. The plan was that you wouldn't get the more accurate service on a bog standard chipset - just like you can't buy any old satellite receiver and watch Sky Sports. But AIUI the technology for that isn't settled; and the EU decided late last year to considering making it all free anyway. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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