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Old January 8th 18, 07:47 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on bbc 1
which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue mumbled. At
first I thought it was my ears, but no, I could hear other channels dialogue
fine.
I've noticed this on and off before. One cannot even blame music or sound
effects. its just low level echo ridden or top end light.

Anyway since Christmas there seems to have been a nose dive in things i
really would like to view or listen to. Anyone else noticed? is it that all
the good stuff is now being made by the sunbscription channels?

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Old January 8th 18, 09:18 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article , Brian Gaff
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Anyway since Christmas there seems to have been a nose dive in things i
really would like to view or listen to. Anyone else noticed? is it that
all the good stuff is now being made by the sunbscription channels?


Actually, SWMBO and I have noticed a rise in the number of new series we
like on the BBC after Xmas, so I guess our tastes differ from yours!

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Old January 8th 18, 11:34 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday and
had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!

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Old January 8th 18, 12:59 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:34:01 +0000, The Other John wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday
and had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!


I downloaded it using get_iplayer. Mumbling was the least of its
problems (in fact I never noticed any). The story appears to be a fresh
spewing of an earlier version that was shown some years ago.

Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that earlier series recording
on my NAS box but it may have been relegated to an off-line archive I
haven't had a chance to check out thus far.

Interestingly, I noticed Prof Brian Cox listed in the end credits as the
"Specialist Advisor". Quite frankly, I'm rather surprised by such
'bravery' in allowing his name to be associated in any way with such a
piece of fiction where the simple act of downloading a computer file
results in a rapid movie of its content during the download, rather than
the more commonplace "Progress Bar" (both in real life *and* movies like
"G-Force" for Gawd's sake!).

It's hard enough to suspend critical judgement in order to enjoy the
story as "A Jolly Good Yarn" when you see such efforts to "Jazz Things
Up", seemingly in an effort to retain the interest of a typical BBC1/ITV
audience.

Searching the interweb for any mention of the earlier series just draws
a blank. It would help if I knew its actual name (which may or may not
have been "Hard Sun" or a variant thereof). The story has certainly been
aired before but my memory fails me on this occasion. :-(

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Old January 8th 18, 01:06 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 08/01/2018 13:59, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:34:01 +0000, The Other John wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday
and had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!


I downloaded it using get_iplayer. Mumbling was the least of its
problems (in fact I never noticed any). The story appears to be a fresh
spewing of an earlier version that was shown some years ago.

Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that earlier series recording
on my NAS box but it may have been relegated to an off-line archive I
haven't had a chance to check out thus far.

Interestingly, I noticed Prof Brian Cox listed in the end credits as the
"Specialist Advisor". Quite frankly, I'm rather surprised by such
'bravery' in allowing his name to be associated in any way with such a
piece of fiction where the simple act of downloading a computer file
results in a rapid movie of its content during the download, rather than
the more commonplace "Progress Bar" (both in real life *and* movies like
"G-Force" for Gawd's sake!).


He was scientific adviser to Sunshine (2007) which takes significant
liberties with solar behaviour and is a lot closer to his specialism.

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Old January 8th 18, 01:14 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Max Demian
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On 08/01/2018 08:47, Brian Gaff wrote:
Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on bbc 1
which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue mumbled. At
first I thought it was my ears, but no, I could hear other channels dialogue
fine.
I've noticed this on and off before. One cannot even blame music or sound
effects. its just low level echo ridden or top end light.


It's either "naturalism" or a reluctance on the part of the director to
criticise highly paid actors, or lack of time to retake or overdub.

The "naturalism" argument - that that is how people speak in real life -
doesn't really wash as in a real conversation you usually (a) know how
the person speaks, (b) roughly what they will say (c) what the context
is and (d) can ask for a repetition.

Programme makers have been told about this often enough, but they appear
to have a policy of ignoring us mere viewers, as with spoiler snippets
of the programme contents at the start, credit squashing and shout
overs, telling us what is on next in the minutes up to the end and the rest.

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Old January 8th 18, 03:02 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:59:10 GMT
Johnny B Good wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:34:01 +0000, The Other John wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something
on bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the
dialogue mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on
Saturday and had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!


I downloaded it using get_iplayer. Mumbling was the least of its
problems (in fact I never noticed any). The story appears to be a
fresh spewing of an earlier version that was shown some years ago.

Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that earlier series
recording on my NAS box but it may have been relegated to an off-line
archive I haven't had a chance to check out thus far.

Interestingly, I noticed Prof Brian Cox listed in the end credits as
the "Specialist Advisor". Quite frankly, I'm rather surprised by such
'bravery' in allowing his name to be associated in any way with such
a piece of fiction where the simple act of downloading a computer
file results in a rapid movie of its content during the download,
rather than the more commonplace "Progress Bar" (both in real life
*and* movies like "G-Force" for Gawd's sake!).

It's hard enough to suspend critical judgement in order to enjoy the
story as "A Jolly Good Yarn" when you see such efforts to "Jazz
Things Up", seemingly in an effort to retain the interest of a
typical BBC1/ITV audience.

Searching the interweb for any mention of the earlier series just
draws a blank. It would help if I knew its actual name (which may or
may not have been "Hard Sun" or a variant thereof). The story has
certainly been aired before but my memory fails me on this
occasion. :-(


I found this on a Guardian review, if it's any help:

Cross took his inspiration for Hard Sun from the David Bowie song Five
Years, in which Bowie views a doomed-to-die Earth with a renewed sense
of unity and wonder.

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Old January 8th 18, 03:34 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In message , The Other John
writes
On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday and
had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!


I've had great difficulty in making out what Peter Capaldi has been
saying since he took over the title role in "Doctor Who". He doesn't
enunciate at all clearly. Background music that at times has been so
loud as to be foreground music hasn't helped matters.

I suspect that the producers of TV drama have the advantage of hearing
and seeing their episodes played back on state of the art equipment
costing thousands of pounds, as well as being younger than a large
proportion of their audience and so having better hearing. Thus they
fail to realise what a struggle it is to make out the dialogue for many
of their listeners.
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Old January 8th 18, 07:31 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Ah yes, I heard the trailer for that one. You can apparently watch it all on
the bbc web site now, so why put it out?
The trail they have been running for that rather odd concept, pre
apocalyptic crime drama, is mumbles punctuated by lots of over acted
shouting.
Brian

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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday and
had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!

--
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Old January 8th 18, 07:34 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Brian Gaff
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I think there are only a few genuinely new plots around.
I'm waiting for the remake of the one where a future super computer tries
to save the human race by sending them back intime and cocking it all up.

The old time loop thing.
Brian

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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:34:01 +0000, The Other John wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 08:47:34 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Has tv drama decided to record all dialogue as mumbles?
I was watching the box last night to see what was on and something on
bbc 1 which I'm assuming was a drama seemed to have all the dialogue
mumbled.


I watched the first episode of the new thriller "Hard Sun" on Saturday
and had to turn subtitles on due to mumblevision [tm]!


I downloaded it using get_iplayer. Mumbling was the least of its
problems (in fact I never noticed any). The story appears to be a fresh
spewing of an earlier version that was shown some years ago.

Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that earlier series recording
on my NAS box but it may have been relegated to an off-line archive I
haven't had a chance to check out thus far.

Interestingly, I noticed Prof Brian Cox listed in the end credits as the
"Specialist Advisor". Quite frankly, I'm rather surprised by such
'bravery' in allowing his name to be associated in any way with such a
piece of fiction where the simple act of downloading a computer file
results in a rapid movie of its content during the download, rather than
the more commonplace "Progress Bar" (both in real life *and* movies like
"G-Force" for Gawd's sake!).

It's hard enough to suspend critical judgement in order to enjoy the
story as "A Jolly Good Yarn" when you see such efforts to "Jazz Things
Up", seemingly in an effort to retain the interest of a typical BBC1/ITV
audience.

Searching the interweb for any mention of the earlier series just draws
a blank. It would help if I knew its actual name (which may or may not
have been "Hard Sun" or a variant thereof). The story has certainly been
aired before but my memory fails me on this occasion. :-(

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