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I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all
connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? |
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"FoggyF" wrote in message
... I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS |
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message .. . I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy |
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I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. High price HDMI cables are mostly a rip-off. Having said that, long runs do place higher demands on the cable, so it may be that your 10m cable is inadequate for the job. If possible, I would attempt to confirm that the cable is at fault by connecting the Sky box directly to the TV with the 1m lead to check that drop-outs are eliminated. The amplifier is another possible culprit, since it must act as an HDCP repeater (assuming Sky are using that), so you could try introducing that into the system with another short cable run. Or you could run the 10m cable directly to the Sky box, without the amplifier intervening... At 3 metres, I would expect all but the most egregiously-constructed HDMI cable to do the job perfectly, so I would certainly avoid the various overpriced exotica on offer. |
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![]() "FoggyF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message . .. I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy As Pyriform has said, you need to try test set-up's to identify which component is causing the problem. Have you any other source (non HD) in your set-up, such as a DVD? I expect if you have you have connected it directly to the TV. Well you could try connecting that to the amp and let the amp digitise it instead and see if you get drop outs. |
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:26:48 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message ... I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy As Pyriform has said, you need to try test set-up's to identify which component is causing the problem. Have you any other source (non HD) in your set-up, such as a DVD? I expect if you have you have connected it directly to the TV. Well you could try connecting that to the amp and let the amp digitise it instead and see if you get drop outs. Thanks for all the inputs. I have no problems with the DVD player through the AV-Receiver. I did bypass the receiver by using the long HDMI lead to connect between the Sky HD box and the LCD directly. The result was that there was the odd glitch lasting about half a second, but no 5 second blank screen. I suspect that the glitch is either the Sky box itself, or due to the cable, and the 5 second delay is probably caused by the AV Receiver sorting itself out after the glitch. Foggy |
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![]() "FoggyF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:26:48 -0000, "John Russell" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message m... I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy As Pyriform has said, you need to try test set-up's to identify which component is causing the problem. Have you any other source (non HD) in your set-up, such as a DVD? I expect if you have you have connected it directly to the TV. Well you could try connecting that to the amp and let the amp digitise it instead and see if you get drop outs. Thanks for all the inputs. I have no problems with the DVD player through the AV-Receiver. I did bypass the receiver by using the long HDMI lead to connect between the Sky HD box and the LCD directly. The result was that there was the odd glitch lasting about half a second, but no 5 second blank screen. I suspect that the glitch is either the Sky box itself, or due to the cable, and the 5 second delay is probably caused by the AV Receiver sorting itself out after the glitch. Foggy Does the problem occur on every channel, including Standard def programs, or just particular HD channels? You need to identify if it's a "box" or "transmission" problem. |
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![]() "John Russell" wrote in message ... "FoggyF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:26:48 -0000, "John Russell" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message om... I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy As Pyriform has said, you need to try test set-up's to identify which component is causing the problem. Have you any other source (non HD) in your set-up, such as a DVD? I expect if you have you have connected it directly to the TV. Well you could try connecting that to the amp and let the amp digitise it instead and see if you get drop outs. Thanks for all the inputs. I have no problems with the DVD player through the AV-Receiver. I did bypass the receiver by using the long HDMI lead to connect between the Sky HD box and the LCD directly. The result was that there was the odd glitch lasting about half a second, but no 5 second blank screen. I suspect that the glitch is either the Sky box itself, or due to the cable, and the 5 second delay is probably caused by the AV Receiver sorting itself out after the glitch. Foggy Does the problem occur on every channel, including Standard def programs, or just particular HD channels? You need to identify if it's a "box" or "transmission" problem. I would also try the forums on this site:- http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ |
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:37:39 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote: "John Russell" wrote in message ... "FoggyF" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:26:48 -0000, "John Russell" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message m... On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:27 -0000, "Paul D.Smith" wrote: "FoggyF" wrote in message news:[email protected] com... I have Sky HD, a Denon 2807 AV-Receiver and a Philips 37PF9830, all connected together with HDMI cable. The cable from the Sky HD Box to the Receiver is the standard Sky 1 metre offering, but I have a 10 metre HDMI cable running from the Receiver to the LCD. My problems is that when viewing HD (live or recorded), at about every 5 minutes (but very variable), I lose the picture/audio for about 5 seconds. I suspect the (relatively) cheap long HDMI cable (which was necessary as the wife insisted that cable was out of site), however, I have now negotiated a shorter route of 3 metres. Is it worth spending money on a 3m HDMI cable, or is it likely to make no difference at all? 5 seconds seems like a long time for a cable induced drop-out and if your cable were at fault I would expect the problem to be more common. Have you confirmed that the Sky box is not the one with the problem? Move the TV close and hook it up with an analogue cable to ye olde TV and see if you see the same problem. If so then your dish may be slightly misaligned and/or loose causing the Sky box to loose the signal. Paul DS Thanks for your input. I should have said that I don't think that the problem is the Sky itself. The reason I think that, is that it happens during playback of Sky HD recordings. If I rewind a few seconds, the same section plays without any problems so it can't be the recording must be OK. I suspect the 5 seconds is due to the TV re-negotiating and sorting itself out. I see many adverts for 3 metre HDMI cables at £16, and an equal number at £90. I'm just trying to determine if it could be the cable and whether it is a false economy to go for the cheap one again. Foggy As Pyriform has said, you need to try test set-up's to identify which component is causing the problem. Have you any other source (non HD) in your set-up, such as a DVD? I expect if you have you have connected it directly to the TV. Well you could try connecting that to the amp and let the amp digitise it instead and see if you get drop outs. Thanks for all the inputs. I have no problems with the DVD player through the AV-Receiver. I did bypass the receiver by using the long HDMI lead to connect between the Sky HD box and the LCD directly. The result was that there was the odd glitch lasting about half a second, but no 5 second blank screen. I suspect that the glitch is either the Sky box itself, or due to the cable, and the 5 second delay is probably caused by the AV Receiver sorting itself out after the glitch. Foggy Does the problem occur on every channel, including Standard def programs, or just particular HD channels? You need to identify if it's a "box" or "transmission" problem. I would also try the forums on this site:- http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ Problem solved: I did purchase a shorter cable (3 metres) and that has solved the problem. Note that the cable was not even one of the expensive ones (about £20). Hope this helps anyone else with a similar problem. Foggy |
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