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  #1  
Old June 24th 03, 10:52 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
David Robinson
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All the ads on BBC TV are a pain (though they don't annoy me _that_
much), so why not replace them with something useful?

Sometimes now, then tell you what's on BBC1, BBC2, and one other
channel.

Instead, they could give us a run down of the lot at some programme
junctions:

"your choice now on the BBC: In a moment here on BBC1, Eastenders;
meanwhile BBC2 continues blah blah, BBC Three this, BBC Four that,
Radio 1 this, 1Xtra that, Radio 2 that, Radio 3 the other, Radio 4,
Radio 5, 6Music, BBC7, Asian Network etc etc"

Obviously you can miss out repetative things, and specially highlight
interesting stuff - but it would be a great way of reminding us of the
great diversity of the BBC's output (so it's still self promotion!)
whilst actually performing a useful service. It also promotes digital
TV and radio in all it's glory, letting those with analogue only see
what they're missing (or not, as the case might be).

Maybe I'm just missing a propper EPG on FreeView. Maybe a single page
"now on: all BBC channels" on BBCi DTT would suffice.

What do people think? I'm guessing they'll be a few responses that say
they just want the programmes and nothing else. Yeah - I can see the
BBC doing that!

Cheers,
David.
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Old June 25th 03, 08:52 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
David van Kemenade
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"Stephen Peterson" wrote in message
...
Years ago when I was a Junior Engineer at the Beeb, someone worked out

that
if they advertised on the then new Radio 1 only,this would pay for the

whole
BBC! Unfortunatly at that time the Beeb still considered that advertising
was a nasty commercial smell and best left to ITV! It also considered
itself to be the custodian of public service broadcasting, The links

between
programs must now cost as much as some programs to make by today's BECTU
rates!


Interesting. What are the BECTU rates for programmes?

I would be surprised if the idents were that expensive, considering the fact
that they are used many times a day for a couple of years.

David


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Old June 25th 03, 03:25 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
John Russell
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"David Robinson" wrote in message
om...
All the ads on BBC TV are a pain (though they don't annoy me _that_
much), so why not replace them with something useful?

Sometimes now, then tell you what's on BBC1, BBC2, and one other
channel.

Instead, they could give us a run down of the lot at some programme
junctions:

"your choice now on the BBC: In a moment here on BBC1, Eastenders;
meanwhile BBC2 continues blah blah, BBC Three this, BBC Four that,
Radio 1 this, 1Xtra that, Radio 2 that, Radio 3 the other, Radio 4,
Radio 5, 6Music, BBC7, Asian Network etc etc"

Obviously you can miss out repetative things, and specially highlight
interesting stuff - but it would be a great way of reminding us of the
great diversity of the BBC's output (so it's still self promotion!)
whilst actually performing a useful service. It also promotes digital
TV and radio in all it's glory, letting those with analogue only see
what they're missing (or not, as the case might be).

Maybe I'm just missing a propper EPG on FreeView. Maybe a single page
"now on: all BBC channels" on BBCi DTT would suffice.

What do people think? I'm guessing they'll be a few responses that say
they just want the programmes and nothing else. Yeah - I can see the
BBC doing that!

Cheers,
David.


They waste all that time with stupid dancers, then tell you what's coming on
in 1 or 2 hours time. By the time you know whats' on next it's too bloody
late to change channels!


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Old June 25th 03, 03:46 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
DAB sounds worse than FM
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John Russell wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote in message ...
Stephen Peterson wrote:
"David Robinson" wrote in message
om...
All the ads on BBC TV are a pain (though they don't annoy me _that_
much), so why not replace them with something useful?

Snip
Obviously you can miss out repetative things, and specially
highlight interesting stuff - but it would be a great way of
reminding us of the great diversity of the BBC's output (so it's
still self promotion!) whilst actually performing a useful
service. It also promotes digital
TV and radio in all it's glory, letting those with analogue only
see what they're missing (or not, as the case might be).

Maybe I'm just missing a propper EPG on FreeView. Maybe a single
page "now on: all BBC channels" on BBCi DTT would suffice.

What do people think? I'm guessing they'll be a few responses that
say they just want the programmes and nothing else. Yeah - I can
see the
BBC doing that!

Cheers,
David.
Years ago when I was a Junior Engineer at the Beeb, someone worked
out that if they advertised on the then new Radio 1 only,this would
pay for the whole BBC!



I somehow doubt that advertising on Radio 1 would rake them in the
2,600,000,000 they presently get from the licence fee.


Certainly not now. Radio1 has always been targeted at the youth
interest in music, which appears to be very little if current record
sales are to go buy. If the same arguement arose now they should
calculate the potential revenue from Radio 2.



2,600m per annum is a bit steep to recoup from advertising on Radio 2
though. GWR only makes 127m as a whole radio group and they own Classic FM
which is the biggest commercial radio station.


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Old June 25th 03, 04:03 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
Aztech
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"John Russell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Certainly not now. Radio1 has always been targeted at the youth interest in
music, which appears to be very little if current record sales are to go
buy. If the same arguement arose now they should calculate the potential
revenue from Radio 2.


The Peacock Report called for the commercialisation of both R1 & R2 leaving just
R3&4 as it was back then. Since then nearly every aspect has been commercialised


Az.

  #6  
Old June 25th 03, 05:19 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
Dave
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DAB sounds worse than FM writes
Years ago when I was a Junior Engineer at the Beeb, someone worked
out that if they advertised on the then new Radio 1 only,this would
pay for the whole BBC!

I somehow doubt that advertising on Radio 1 would rake them in the
2,600,000,000 they presently get from the licence fee.


Certainly not now. Radio1 has always been targeted at the youth
interest in music, which appears to be very little if current record
sales are to go buy. If the same arguement arose now they should
calculate the potential revenue from Radio 2.


2,600m per annum is a bit steep to recoup from advertising on Radio 2
though. GWR only makes 127m as a whole radio group and they own Classic FM
which is the biggest commercial radio station.


Don't forget that back in 1967 (?) when Radio 1 started, AFAIUI the only
legal commercial radio competition was Radio Luxemburg. With the
daytime choice of radio stations being Radio 1 or nothing for the 'pop
music' market, audiences (and potential revenue) would have been
extremely high.

Now Radio 1 gets less than 8% of the audience share.

--
Dave
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Old June 25th 03, 06:03 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,alt.radio.digital
Aztech
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"David van Kemenade" wrote in message
...
"Stephen Peterson" wrote in message
...
Years ago when I was a Junior Engineer at the Beeb, someone worked out

that
if they advertised on the then new Radio 1 only,this would pay for the

whole
BBC! Unfortunatly at that time the Beeb still considered that advertising
was a nasty commercial smell and best left to ITV! It also considered
itself to be the custodian of public service broadcasting, The links

between
programs must now cost as much as some programs to make by today's BECTU
rates!


Interesting. What are the BECTU rates for programmes?

I would be surprised if the idents were that expensive, considering the fact
that they are used many times a day for a couple of years.


Lambie-Nairn were better off to the tune of 700,000 for those wonderful idents.
E4 did some convincing spoofs for around 70.

But even better, two minutes worth of MS WordArt cost them 250,000 :-
http://tinyurl.com/f8pn

After saving so much in the production of programming they might as well blow
the savings on that lot As for the trails, well, they've nicely done and very
loud which simply shows that the Beeb are just gagging to go commercial, they
certainly have enough time to waste at junctures.

Az.

  #9  
Old July 2nd 03, 10:08 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Richard H Reepe
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In message , Java Jive
writes
But yes, generally they're a pain. One of the things that consistently
annoys me is that all such trailers,

Snip
One of the things that really annoys me is the constant headline
reminders all the way through the news! It's like a demented tabloid
editors last chance to make an impression...

E.G. "Coming up -this, that and the other, and later, something else
even less consequential". Then after another 5 minutes... "That was an
item about this, followed by an item about that. Now we go over to Nick
in Basildon where it's raining - but first a link to three other items
we might be able to squeeze in later if I ever get to the end of this
interruption".

Then at the end of the show they do the whole ruddy thing again just to
make sure that your brain has been totally numbed!

Look... JUST GIVE ME THE NEWS! Right!!
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e-mail: ric
web-site:
http://www.r2.org.uk
  #10  
Old July 3rd 03, 01:35 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
dt
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Look... JUST GIVE ME THE NEWS! Right!!
--

I thought I was the only person to have been hacked off the way news is
presented these days, particularly on BBC.

Huw Edwards recently bragged about "annoying his editors sometimes by
ad-libbing" !!! He's a news reader for christ sake, by ad-libbing as a
news reader means that you essentially make things up as you go along.

I think it is high time all news delivery services stuck to delivering news
in an objective way - cut the spin, just give us the facts.

Phew! That's better.

Dave


 




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