going digital on Sutton Coldfield in september. at present i can press
'doub' on my handset (Bush tv) and enlarge the ceefax pages to see
more clearly. is it possible , to do the same with text on sky freesat
using any of the buttons on their remote, please. thanx for any help

On 12/08/2011 9:12 AM, 66oldgit wrote:
going digital on Sutton Coldfield in september. at present i can press
'doub' on my handset (Bush tv) and enlarge the ceefax pages to see
more clearly. is it possible , to do the same with text on sky freesat
using any of the buttons on their remote, please. thanx for any help



you can't - what you see is what you get.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

"66oldgit" wrote in message ...
going digital on Sutton Coldfield in september. at present i can press
'doub' on my handset (Bush tv) and enlarge the ceefax pages to see
more clearly. is it possible , to do the same with text on sky freesat
using any of the buttons on their remote, please. thanx for any help

What you have to understand is traditional teletext is an arcane 1970s technology and as such
had to be replaced with so-called digital teletext (as if VBI teletext wasn't itself digital).

The fact that it was better than the modern replacement in a lot of ways has been conveniently swept under the carpet.



--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On 12/08/2011 17:24, Graham. wrote:
wrote in message ...
going digital on Sutton Coldfield in september. at present i can press
'doub' on my handset (Bush tv) and enlarge the ceefax pages to see
more clearly. is it possible , to do the same with text on sky freesat
using any of the buttons on their remote, please. thanx for any help

What you have to understand is traditional teletext is an arcane 1970s technology and as such
had to be replaced with so-called digital teletext (as if VBI teletext wasn't itself digital).

The fact that it was better than the modern replacement in a lot of ways has been conveniently swept under the carpet.

"Old-style" teletext does work _IF_ :-
-you use the RF connection from the satellite receiver to the television
-the p.888/VBI subtitle information is present in the broadcast signal
(there is an ongoing general habit to drop it)
-the receiver passes the signal through to the RF output (older
$ky-branded receivers did this as standard but I am not sure that
Freesat receivers have this in their spec)

I haven't got a suitable setup to check what the BBC is doing ATM but as
well as trying your local channels, if you find no p.888 then you should
also check the channels carrying audio description in case "old-style"
subtitling remains on those although somebody else might be able to
confirm what the current state is. If you have access to a $ky-branded
receiver then you can try it yourself; if you leave out any viewing card
then the receiver will behave much the same as a Freesat receiver apart
from the different EPG and channel numbers.

If the subtitle size is important then plan B might be to find a normal
(i.e. not branded as $ky or Freesat) satellite receiver which can
produce enlarged text; this could involve e.g. a trawl through old
copies of What Satellite or you might be lucky and find one or more via
Google if suppliers have posted the full specs or you can look up the
receiver manuals. The main loss would be the EPG but you can either use
the Radio Times etc. or look up schedules on the broadcasters' websites.

P.S. The "new-style" subtitles do have a sharper and more solid font
than the old ones so if you have not done so already it might be worth
having a look at them on someone else's television if you have not
already managed to do so.

On Aug 12, 7:42*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On 12/08/2011 17:24, Graham. wrote: *wrote in ...
going digital on Sutton Coldfield in september. at present i can press
'doub' on my handset (Bush tv) and enlarge the ceefax pages to see
more clearly. is it possible , to do the same with text on sky freesat
using any of the buttons on their remote, please. thanx for any help

What you have to understand is traditional teletext is an arcane 1970s technology and as such
had to be replaced with so-called digital teletext (as if VBI teletext wasn't itself digital).

The fact that it was better than the modern replacement in a lot of ways has been conveniently swept under the carpet.

"Old-style" teletext does work _IF_ :-
-you use the RF connection from the satellite receiver to the television
-the p.888/VBI subtitle information is present in the broadcast signal
(there is an ongoing general habit to drop it)
-the receiver passes the signal through to the RF output (older
$ky-branded receivers did this as standard but I am not sure that
Freesat receivers have this in their spec)

I haven't got a suitable setup to check what the BBC is doing ATM but as
well as trying your local channels, if you find no p.888 then you should
also check the channels carrying audio description in case "old-style"
subtitling remains on those although somebody else might be able to
confirm what the current state is. If you have access to a $ky-branded
receiver then you can try it yourself; if you leave out any viewing card
then the receiver will behave much the same as a Freesat receiver apart
from the different EPG and channel numbers.

If the subtitle size is important then plan B might be to find a normal
(i.e. not branded as $ky or Freesat) satellite receiver which can
produce enlarged text; this could involve e.g. a trawl through old
copies of What Satellite or you might be lucky and find one or more via
Google if suppliers have posted the full specs or you can look up the
receiver manuals. The main loss would be the EPG but you can either use
the Radio Times etc. or look up schedules on the broadcasters' websites.

P.S. The "new-style" subtitles do have a sharper and more solid font
than the old ones so if you have not done so already it might be worth
having a look at them on someone else's television if you have not
already managed to do so.

thanx for all theadvice Don