On 17/06/2010 07:58, Mike Henry wrote:
, (Brian Mc) wrote:

Mike wrote:
:...yes, I do know that. What I'm talking about is the £10/month I pay
:for the HD package - I don't get as much as someone in England on the
:same viewing pack as I have. It is irrelevant as to what I get for free.

I did not write the above; George did. Please take more care when
trimming! :-)

How so - none of your £10 goes towards these cchannels (which you would
get by paying $0/month!)

: What did Sky customer services say when you put this point to them?

Just exactly `WHAT would you expect them to say?????

I would expect them to say something similar to the technical and factual
answers already posted, but in a considerably more polite tone and without
shouting at him. It would be useful to know if they give some other reason
that we haven't already thought of. Perhaps we'd be able to point out any
lies/flaws in their response and help George form a suitable rebuttal for
a second phonecall to Sky. Who knows. I think Peter's on the money though.

....Thank you, Mike, for your positive reply - especially since it came
twice!! (-:

I've noticed before in this and other forums that, when someone like me
makes an observation or comment which is, possibly in retrospect a bit
naive, there is always someone who will shout them down. A bit like CJ
Mooi on Eggheads when he is scathing of someone not knowing the answer
to an "obvious" question.

It does inhibit some from posting and being involved in discussions.

Yes. The "proper" course of action is to phone Sky, but I thought (and
still do) think that the value of a newsgroup is the sharing of
experience and self-help.

Scenario: User 1 recognises something that might be better and so
contacts Sky Helpdesk. Helpdesk provides an explanation. User 1 is
satisfied. Meanwhile, User 2 notices the same thing and contacts Sky
Helpdesk....

Having had time to consider my initial thoughts on the subject (ie no
ITV1 HD on EPG in Scotland), I have, with the input of those of you who
are more interested in helping than putting down we simple folk, come to
the following conclusions:

My £10 HD sub is, of course to allow me to have access to HD versions of
those SD channels to which my basic Sky sub entitles me. I don't have
film or sports channels, so no HD versions of those (apart from Sky
Sports 3 and Eurosport). That seems OK, I knew that before taking out
the HD sub.

The issue of ITV1 HD is, I think, different. OK, as has been posted,
BBC and ITV pay for inclusion of other regions (BBC) and ITV London for
the reasons previously given by Brian McD. I assume that ITV1 HD is
supra-regional - one channel for all (English) regions? If this is so,
then there is no reason I can see (apart from media politics) why it
should not be available to all ITV regions.

The fact that I can get it through "other channels" and some ITV1
programmes are flagged as "simulcast on ITV1 HD)" in my Scottish edition
of Radio Times (other listings magazines are available) makes the whole
issue of unavailability in Scotland a farce.

If it is there, and available, ISTM that it would be in Sky/ITV's best
interest to maximise HD accessibility to encourage uptake. After the
football and tennis are over, the short term demand for HD could dwindle...

I believe that this discussion has probably now run its course. If I do
contact Sky and/or ITV and discover something different to what has
already been posted I may re-post. Or I may just keep it to myself and
let you all find it out for yourselves!

--
George from Cartland

In article , George
writes
The issue of ITV1 HD is, I think, different. OK, as has been posted,
BBC and ITV pay for inclusion of other regions (BBC) and ITV London for
the reasons previously given by Brian McD. I assume that ITV1 HD is
supra-regional - one channel for all (English) regions? If this is so,
then there is no reason I can see (apart from media politics) why it
should not be available to all ITV regions.

Apart from local news there are no variations between ITV's English
regions. This is not the case with Scotland and Northern Ireland which
have some of their own programmes which the broadcasters (who are not
part of ITV plc) have not agreed to. If anyone should have any
grievance it would be the Welsh who would miss their national
variations.

The fact that I can get it through "other channels" and some ITV1
programmes are flagged as "simulcast on ITV1 HD)" in my Scottish
edition of Radio Times (other listings magazines are available) makes
the whole issue of unavailability in Scotland a farce.

I suspect the reason Radio Times mentions ITV1 HD is because the
Scottish edition serves the Borders area which ITV treat as part of
England for programming.
--
Peter Pratten
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In article , Peter Pratten
writes
Remember that ITV plc does not include the Scottish and NI parts of the
ITV network. As the thread explains STV and UTV refused the red
button, so also they refused the channel. They won't have services
just because England/Wales has them. You need to start a campaign to
get them to agree to it.

It seems that this is not as clear as I thought. I've come across a
statement in the 2010 edition of the Television Viewer's Guide that
Channel TV, STV and UTV had agreed to show ITV1 HD between 1800 and 2300
on Freeview so I am wondering why this did apply to satellite as well.

Something else puzzled me. I don't normally watch ITV news but as the
BBC was on late due to football I put it on yesterday. When it came to
the regional news there was a big black caption blocking out the lower
part of the screen saying to get regional use tune to ITV1. But the
programme running behind the caption _was_ my region's news, so why the
caption? How many HD variants are being transmitted?
--
Peter Pratten
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"Peter Pratten" wrote in message
...
In article , Peter Pratten
writes
Remember that ITV plc does not include the Scottish and NI parts of the
ITV network. As the thread explains STV and UTV refused the red button,
so also they refused the channel. They won't have services just because
England/Wales has them. You need to start a campaign to get them to agree
to it.

It seems that this is not as clear as I thought. I've come across a
statement in the 2010 edition of the Television Viewer's Guide that
Channel TV, STV and UTV had agreed to show ITV1 HD between 1800 and 2300
on Freeview so I am wondering why this did apply to satellite as well.

Something else puzzled me. I don't normally watch ITV news but as the BBC
was on late due to football I put it on yesterday. When it came to the
regional news there was a big black caption blocking out the lower part of
the screen saying to get regional use tune to ITV1. But the programme
running behind the caption _was_ my region's news, so why the caption? How
many HD variants are being transmitted?
--
Peter Pratten
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4 at least that is how many streams i found

Peter Pratten wrote:

How many HD variants are being transmitted?

Four ITV, one STV

10832 H ITV London FTA

10936 V ITV Granada FTA
STV West FTA
Central W FTV

11973 V Meridian FTV

Last time I looked on my Freesat box, my version on Ch 119 was London, I'm
firmly in Meridian land, North Hampshire.

Presumably some of those with Sky boxes get a closer version of ITV ?


--
Mark
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On 20 June, 12:28, Mark Carver wrote:
Peter Pratten wrote:
How many HD variants are being transmitted?

Four ITV, one STV

10832 H *ITV London * FTA

10936 V *ITV Granada *FTA
* * * * * STV West * * FTA
* * * * * Central W * *FTV

11973 V *Meridian * * FTV

Last time I looked on my Freesat box, my version on Ch 119 was London, I'm
firmly in Meridian land, North Hampshire.

Presumably some of those with Sky boxes get a closer version of ITV ?

--
Mark
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The idiots guide to get ITV HD in Scotland.

1. Unplug box

2. Remove card

3. Plug box in again, wait for listings.

4. Turn to CH178

5. Watch England getting beat

In article
,
Gordon writes
On 20 June, 12:28, Mark Carver wrote:
Peter Pratten wrote:
How many HD variants are being transmitted?

Four ITV, one STV

10832 H *ITV London * FTA

10936 V *ITV Granada *FTA
* * * * * STV West * * FTA

George, please note, do you come under STV West?

* * * * * Central W * *FTV

11973 V *Meridian * * FTV

Last time I looked on my Freesat box, my version on Ch 119 was London, I'm
firmly in Meridian land, North Hampshire.

Presumably some of those with Sky boxes get a closer version of ITV ?

Maybe, as I'm also North Hampshire but with Sky boxes.

The idiots guide to get ITV HD in Scotland.

1. Unplug box

2. Remove card

3. Plug box in again, wait for listings.

4. Turn to CH178

5. Watch England getting beat

Well, that's a way round! You'll have to reverse the procedure
afterwards.
--
Peter Pratten
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It is an easy way to view ITV HD. However, the Sky HD recording
functions won't work without a viewing card.

"Peter Pratten" wrote in message
news
In article
,
Gordon writes
On 20 June, 12:28, Mark Carver
wrote:
Peter Pratten wrote:
How many HD variants are being transmitted?

Four ITV, one STV

10832 H ITV London FTA

10936 V ITV Granada FTA
STV West FTA

George, please note, do you come under STV West?

Central W FTV

11973 V Meridian FTV

Last time I looked on my Freesat box, my version on Ch 119
was London, I'm
firmly in Meridian land, North Hampshire.

Presumably some of those with Sky boxes get a closer version
of ITV ?

Maybe, as I'm also North Hampshire but with Sky boxes.

The idiots guide to get ITV HD in Scotland.

1. Unplug box

2. Remove card

3. Plug box in again, wait for listings.

4. Turn to CH178

5. Watch England getting beat

Well, that's a way round! You'll have to reverse the procedure
afterwards.
--
Peter Pratten
Please reply in group only

On 22/06/2010 21:31, Peter Pratten wrote:
In article
,
Gordon writes
On 20 June, 12:28, Mark Carver wrote:
Peter Pratten wrote:
How many HD variants are being transmitted?

Four ITV, one STV

10832 H ITV London FTA

10936 V ITV Granada FTA
STV West FTA

George, please note, do you come under STV West?

I assume so (stay in ML11). Does the above mean I should get STV HD via
the EPG? If so, I don't.

--
George from Cartland

George wrote:

George, please note, do you come under STV West?

I assume so (stay in ML11). Does the above mean I should get STV HD via
the EPG? If so, I don't.

No, on a Sky box currently not. I saw one rumour that STV and Sky can't
agree terms for EPG inclusion of STV HD, so it might be for the time
being STV HD will be Freesat only as far EPG inclusion goes ?