Hi,


Is Sky three now no longer viewable with previous (ex-subscription) viewing
cards?

" Error 25 - FYI - This programme is not available "

Are other FTV channels going to go this way?


Best wishes,




News Reader




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On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:31:08 -0000, News Reader wrote:


Hi,


Is Sky three now no longer viewable with previous (ex-subscription)
viewing
cards?

" Error 25 - FYI - This programme is not available "

Are other FTV channels going to go this way?

As you mentioned it, I've just had a quick glance and am getting the "new
card required" message a few seconds after the one you cite on Sky3, Five
USA, fiver and the +1 versions of the latter two.

As you can probably guess, I won't miss them (there's even a limit to how
many old House episodes one wants to watch). I wonder if some people are
thinking "where's Pout TV when you want it?".

--
JonPhred

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...

Hi,


Is Sky three now no longer viewable with previous
(ex-subscription) viewing cards?

" Error 25 - FYI - This programme is not available "

Are other FTV channels going to go this way?


Best wishes,




News Reader



To watch FTV channels, you must have a card that is capable of
decrypting encoded content - but I'm sure you knew that already
!.

It seems very probable that old cards will stop working - sooner
or later. However, I suspect that any switch-off of expired
cards (if or when it happens) will affect all FTV channels
equally - and simultaneously. Consequently, I have looked for a
different explanation why you can no longer receive Sky 3.

The Lyngsat website at www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html
indicates that Sky 3 is now a subscription channel. If so, that
probably explains why your ex-subscription card has stopped
working.

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:20:26 -0000, Bob Lucas wrote:

snip
It seems very probable that old cards will stop working - sooner or
later. However, I suspect that any switch-off of expired cards (if or
when it happens) will affect all FTV channels equally - and
simultaneously. Consequently, I have looked for a different explanation
why you can no longer receive Sky 3.

The Lyngsat website at www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html
indicates that Sky 3 is now a subscription channel. If so, that
probably explains why your ex-subscription card has stopped working.

My (via Pout) card has stopped decrypting. As I've already said, it no
longer provides Sky 3, Five USA, fiver or the +1 variants of the latter
two. It presents a "this service is not available" message followed by a
"need a new viewing card" message. FTA channels are, of course, unaffected.

My reading of the Lyngsat page to which you link doesn't indicate that Sky
3 has become a subscription channel but that the others I mention haven't.
It shows them as encrypted - but we already knew that.

--
JonPhred

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:20:26 -0000, Bob Lucas
wrote:

snip
It seems very probable that old cards will stop working -
sooner or later. However, I suspect that any switch-off of
expired cards (if or when it happens) will affect all FTV
channels equally - and simultaneously. Consequently, I have
looked for a different explanation why you can no longer
receive Sky 3.

The Lyngsat website at
www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html indicates that Sky 3
is now a subscription channel. If so, that probably explains
why your ex-subscription card has stopped working.

My (via Pout) card has stopped decrypting. As I've already
said, it no longer provides Sky 3, Five USA, fiver or the +1
variants of the latter two. It presents a "this service is not
available" message followed by a "need a new viewing card"
message. FTA channels are, of course, unaffected.

My reading of the Lyngsat page to which you link doesn't
indicate that Sky 3 has become a subscription channel but that
the others I mention haven't. It shows them as encrypted - but
we already knew that.

--
JonPhred


You are right. I misinterpreted the Lyngsat data. Sorry!

The Freesat from Sky website at
www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/freesat-tv-choice.aspx indicates that
Sky 3 is still an FTV channel (as are Five USA, fiver, etc).

Having said that, I still suspect that Sky 3 might have become a
subscription channel. I would be interested to know whether
another viewer, who is using a Freesat from Sky card could
confirm whether he can receive Sky 3. Otherwise, I wonder
whether your old-style card has lost the ability to decrypt
transmissions that are encrypted with the latest flavour of
Videoguard.

However, I would have expected obsolescence to affect ALL
encrypted FTV channels, including Five (on Astra 2A, Transponder
37). Can you still receive Five? What happens, if you try to
add one of the encrypted ITV regional variations (via the other
channels menu)?

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:33:55 -0000, Bob Lucas wrote:



"jonphred" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:20:26 -0000, Bob Lucas wrote:

snip
It seems very probable that old cards will stop working - sooner or
later. However, I suspect that any switch-off of expired cards (if
or when it happens) will affect all FTV channels equally - and
simultaneously. Consequently, I have looked for a different
explanation why you can no longer receive Sky 3.

The Lyngsat website at www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html
indicates that Sky 3 is now a subscription channel. If so, that
probably explains why your ex-subscription card has stopped working.

My (via Pout) card has stopped decrypting. As I've already said, it no
longer provides Sky 3, Five USA, fiver or the +1 variants of the
latter two. It presents a "this service is not available" message
followed by a "need a new viewing card" message. FTA channels are, of
course, unaffected.

My reading of the Lyngsat page to which you link doesn't indicate that
Sky 3 has become a subscription channel but that the others I mention
haven't. It shows them as encrypted - but we already knew that.

-- JonPhred


You are right. I misinterpreted the Lyngsat data. Sorry!

The Freesat from Sky website at
www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/freesat-tv-choice.aspx indicates that Sky 3 is
still an FTV channel (as are Five USA, fiver, etc).

Having said that, I still suspect that Sky 3 might have become a
subscription channel. I would be interested to know whether another
viewer, who is using a Freesat from Sky card could confirm whether he
can receive Sky 3. Otherwise, I wonder whether your old-style card has
lost the ability to decrypt transmissions that are encrypted with the
latest flavour of Videoguard.

However, I would have expected obsolescence to affect ALL encrypted FTV
channels, including Five (on Astra 2A, Transponder 37). Can you still
receive Five? What happens, if you try to add one of the encrypted ITV
regional variations (via the other channels menu)?


Still receiving Five OK - on 105 from 2D. Encrypted versions of Five on 2A
and ITV1 such as Mer SE on 2B(N) give the 25=N/A error message followed by
the "need new viewing card" error message as one would expect from my
previous reports.

I'd (perhaps naively) anticipated that old cards would be "turned off" by
simply changing the Videoguard system to something they weren't equipped
to handle as that seems a cheap and easy way to do it and causes problems
for pirates and some overseas viewers who don't still have a good UK
contact.

It's not totally clear from OP whether other FTV channels were tested -
only Sky3 is explicitly mentioned.

--
JonPhred

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On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:33:55 -0000, Bob Lucas wrote:

Having said that, I still suspect that Sky 3 might have become a
subscription channel. I would be interested to know whether another
viewer, who is using a Freesat from Sky card could confirm whether he
can receive Sky 3. Otherwise, I wonder whether your old-style card has
lost the ability to decrypt transmissions that are encrypted with the
latest flavour of Videoguard.

I can confirm Sky 3 is available on our new Sky FTV card.

Regards
cmwb

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"jonphred" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:33:55 -0000, Bob Lucas
wrote:

Having said that, I still suspect that Sky 3 might have
become a subscription channel. I would be interested to know
whether another viewer, who is using a Freesat from Sky card
could confirm whether he can receive Sky 3. Otherwise, I
wonder whether your old-style card has lost the ability to
decrypt transmissions that are encrypted with the latest
flavour of Videoguard.

I can confirm Sky 3 is available on our new Sky FTV card.

Regards
cmwb


Thank you. That provides a strong indication that old-style
viewing cards have become obsolete.

"News Reader" wrote in message
...

Hi,


Is Sky three now no longer viewable with previous (ex-subscription)
viewing cards?

" Error 25 - FYI - This programme is not available "

Are other FTV channels going to go this way?


Best wishes,




News Reader




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Hi,


Thanks for the posts.

Sky three started presenting this a good few days before the final (and
full?) switch off... when the Five extra channels (USA, fiver) exhibited the
same.

Irrelevant now since all the expected lost channels are now indeed...
lost... their was just that otherwise potentially slightly curious period of
a few days where initially just Sky three became unavailable (as above).

Thanks again.


Best wishes,





News Reader




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Same here

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
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"jonphred" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:33:55 -0000, Bob Lucas wrote:

Having said that, I still suspect that Sky 3 might have become a
subscription channel. I would be interested to know whether another
viewer, who is using a Freesat from Sky card could confirm whether he
can receive Sky 3. Otherwise, I wonder whether your old-style card has
lost the ability to decrypt transmissions that are encrypted with the
latest flavour of Videoguard.

I can confirm Sky 3 is available on our new Sky FTV card.

Regards
cmwb


Thank you. That provides a strong indication that old-style viewing cards
have become obsolete.