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Query: Reception on Cambs. - Norfolk Border



 
 
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Old August 20th 17, 12:18 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Eddie King[_2_]
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Default Query: Reception on Cambs. - Norfolk Border

Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the Norfolk
side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow flies)
from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and give
any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.

Many thanks, Eddie
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Old August 20th 17, 12:49 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Adrian Caspersz
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On 20/08/17 13:18, Eddie King wrote:
Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the Norfolk
side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow flies)
from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and give
any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.


Put a postcode in here

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/coveragechecker/

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Old August 20th 17, 01:37 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Woody[_5_]
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"Eddie King" wrote in message
...
Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the
Norfolk side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow flies)
from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and
give any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.

Many thanks, Eddie



Good heavens, he still exists! Keil - or have you moved?

Transmitter - Belmont actually and it broadcasts a E Yorks/Lincs/north
Norfolk regional opt-out.

Have a look at ukfree.tv/aps/freeview, expand the map and drag it so
that it shows the relevant area, then click on the transmitters of
your choice and it will show the approximate coverage.


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Old August 20th 17, 02:44 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Davey
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:37:08 +0100
"Woody" wrote:

"Eddie King" wrote in message
...
Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the
Norfolk side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow
flies) from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and
give any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.

Many thanks, Eddie



Good heavens, he still exists! Keil - or have you moved?

Transmitter - Belmont actually and it broadcasts a E
Yorks/Lincs/north Norfolk regional opt-out.

Have a look at ukfree.tv/aps/freeview, expand the map and drag it so
that it shows the relevant area, then click on the transmitters of
your choice and it will show the approximate coverage.



Doing that indicates a close thing between Belmont and Sandy Heath. I agree, to my
surprise, that Tacolneston, my transmitter, is out of the picture (!)
for this area.

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Old August 20th 17, 03:12 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Davey wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:37:08 +0100 "Woody" wrote:


"Eddie King" wrote in message
...
Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the
Norfolk side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow flies)
from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and give
any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.

Many thanks, Eddie



Good heavens, he still exists! Keil - or have you moved?

Transmitter - Belmont actually and it broadcasts a E Yorks/Lincs/north
Norfolk regional opt-out.

Have a look at ukfree.tv/aps/freeview, expand the map and drag it so
that it shows the relevant area, then click on the transmitters of your
choice and it will show the approximate coverage.



Doing that indicates a close thing between Belmont and Sandy Heath. I
agree, to my surprise, that Tacolneston, my transmitter, is out of the
picture (!) for this area.


why surprise? There's intervening high ground.

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Old August 20th 17, 04:02 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
fred
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If you can get it, most people prefer Tacolnestion to get the Anglia
(Norwich) service.

Taclonestion was improved at DSO, part x with new mast and 3dB more
power (relative to most other analog v digital powers). This should
make a few of the relays eg Kings Lynn/Sandringham (that were added
purely to provide Anglia service when Belmont signal was adequate)
superfluous.

Also Belmont tower was reduced in height ISTR.

Someone I know in Stowbridge now a gets a good signal from Taconeston.
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Old August 20th 17, 06:41 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Woody[_5_]
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"fred" wrote in message
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If you can get it, most people prefer Tacolnestion to get the Anglia
(Norwich) service.

Taclonestion was improved at DSO, part x with new mast and 3dB more
power (relative to most other analog v digital powers). This should
make a few of the relays eg Kings Lynn/Sandringham (that were added
purely to provide Anglia service when Belmont signal was adequate)
superfluous.

Also Belmont tower was reduced in height ISTR.

Someone I know in Stowbridge now a gets a good signal from
Taconeston.



Tacolneston has gone up by 41m, Belmont has dropped by 36m.
Therefore Tacolneston has gone up by 12% but Belmont has dropped by
only about 9% so one would expect the difference in coverage from
Belmont to be much less.

The transmitter power is measured differently analogue v. digital. The
ratio is a factor of 5 or 7dB. Tacolneston was 250KW and is now 100KW
so in common terms the power has indeed gone up by 3dB. However
Belmont was 500KW and is now 150KW so has also had a power increase of
about 1.75dB. (All figures in erp.) In the real world where fade
margins can be as high as 20dB or more these differences are
insignificant.

You may have noticed many caravans have an aerial that looks a bit
like a flying saucer on a stand with a spike out of the top centre.
These aerials were pretty useless on analogue transmission but really
came back to life after DSO and now work surprisingly well. The same
goes for domestic reception, primarily in both cases because (1)
digital TV receivers are (IME) about 20dB more sensitive than analogue
were (you only need around 100uV to get a solid picture on DTTV
against more like 1mV on analogue) and (2) there is forward error
correction on DTTV hence why it works apparently perfectly much closer
the cliff edge or drops over it and stops working for as little as
1-2dB signal strength change (assuming 100% signal quality.)

No, in this instance Belmont is the preferred site even if it doesn't
radiate (IMO the dreadful) Anglia TV. For the record, with a decent
aerial and good siting it is not too difficult to get Tyne-Tees from
Bilsdale even as far south as Cambridge!


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Old August 20th 17, 06:53 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mark Carver
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Default Query: Reception on Cambs. - Norfolk Border

On 20/08/2017 19:41, Woody wrote:

No, in this instance Belmont is the preferred site even if it doesn't
radiate (IMO the dreadful) Anglia TV.


All that's left of the legacy English and Welsh ITV stations, is a
homologised style local news programme.

Anyway BBC or ITV news from Hull/Leeds isn't much use on the
Cambs/Norfolk border, it it ?



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Old August 20th 17, 07:23 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Woody[_5_]
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 20/08/2017 19:41, Woody wrote:

No, in this instance Belmont is the preferred site even if it
doesn't
radiate (IMO the dreadful) Anglia TV.


All that's left of the legacy English and Welsh ITV stations, is a
homologised style local news programme.

Anyway BBC or ITV news from Hull/Leeds isn't much use on the
Cambs/Norfolk border, it it ?




Actually it is as different local news bulletins are radiated from
Belmont and Emley - as indeed happens in many areas such as Anglia E
and Anglia W, TT north and TT South, etc. Belmont is listed as E Yorks
and Lincs but usually carries items pertaining to the area around The
Wash as I have seen myself.


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Old August 21st 17, 12:18 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Bill Wright[_3_]
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Default Query: Reception on Cambs. - Norfolk Border

On 20/08/2017 13:18, Eddie King wrote:
Friends,

a relative will shortly be moving to the PE14 area, just on the Norfolk
side of the border.

I note the location is about equal distance (60km as the crow flies)
from Sandy Heath and Tacolneston.

Can anyone confirm which TX best serves the area in question and give
any advice on the signal strengths to be expected.

Many thanks, Eddie
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The area is well covered and at least one transmitter gives a good
signal everywhere. In other words there's a lot of overlap. I vaguely
remember doing a job at at a granny farm conversion somewhere round
there (Wisbech?) and the local aerials were pointing in all directions.
The only sensible thing to do is to ask the installer to check all
possibilities with his analyser and recommend the one that will be most
reliable.
You'll mebbe find after the install that the telly will be confused by
all the signals so it might need something better than an autotune.

Bill
 




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