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Old August 4th 17, 08:19 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Indy Jess John" wrote in message
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On 03/08/2017 16:26, Martin wrote:

Humax make a three tuner Freeview, but not Freesat ???, PVR too. :-)


Freesat recorders seem to all have one LNB connection per tuner. Assuming
that because they are all configured like that such an arrangement is
necessary (after all, Freeview recorders have a single aerial connection
serving however many tuners are provided), then requiring yet another
cable from a LNB to operate a third tuner could put potential buyers off.


Standard wring for a satellite feed is for a "Sky +" connection.

That's two connections per faceplate

Some cheapskate developers (like where my sister lives) only supply one.

There is no hope of updating current installations to three connection per
faceplate so no-one is ever going to offer a three tuner Sat box (as unlike
FreeView the input feeds cannot be daisy chained)

What they can upgrade to is "record 2, view 1" where the one being viewed is
on the same group as one of the programs being recorded, that just requires
processing grunt.

No-one seems to advertise this feature, so I assume that they can't. It's a
right PITA that they (mine) doesn't do it.

tim









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Old August 4th 17, 08:25 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
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Freesat recorders seem to all have one LNB connection per tuner.

This has been the historical case, but technology has moved on.

Sky Q uses a new wideband LNB that means the boxes have 12 tuners with
only two LNB connections, one for each polarisation.

The Sky Q Silver box will record six channels, while you watch four
more on wifi connected Mini Q boxes and tablets streaming from the
Silver box. The EPG has it's own tuner.

Not seen any freesat boxes using this new technology yet, but it will
come, hopefully Humax is planning something new.

Angus

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Old August 4th 17, 09:00 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:00:37 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Everything is set to go up in price a lot in the next year or so, so now
is the time to jump.


OTOH the price of Freesat boxes hasn't moved in the past 3 years, despite 1
and a half iterations of Moore's law

In Humax's case, that means dropping functionality in favour of glitzcrap
and upping the running power by 20W.
In a well-known, specialised AV shop the assistant told me that he wouldn't
buy a Humax.
For my next box it might well be the 4k Mutant or similar.
https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/[email protected]

If I can manage such an esoteric beastie. Fast boot and 13W running.


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Old August 4th 17, 10:43 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd" wrote in
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Freesat recorders seem to all have one LNB connection per tuner.


This has been the historical case, but technology has moved on.

Sky Q uses a new wideband LNB that means the boxes have 12 tuners with
only two LNB connections, one for each polarisation.


how does that plug into communal systems?

Genuinely not understanding quite how it works here

The Sky Q Silver box will record six channels, while you watch four
more on wifi connected Mini Q boxes and tablets streaming from the
Silver box. The EPG has it's own tuner.

Not seen any freesat boxes using this new technology yet, but it will
come, hopefully Humax is planning something new.


most of which will be plugged into communal systems

(because the majority with a stand alone dish outside their house will have
acquired it as part of a sky "package")

tim



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Old August 4th 17, 11:00 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"PeterC" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:00:37 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
Everything is set to go up in price a lot in the next year or so, so now
is the time to jump.


OTOH the price of Freesat boxes hasn't moved in the past 3 years, despite
1
and a half iterations of Moore's law

In Humax's case, that means dropping functionality in favour of glitzcrap
and upping the running power by 20W.


um, no it doesn't

it means that you ought to be able to drop your price because your build
costs are lower (as the components now cost less)

This *is* what happened with the Freeview SD boxes.

It's really what ought to be happening with HD boxes

If what you mean by glitzcrap is "smart" functionality, then I agree

I think manufacture of "FreeSat/View Plus" logo-ed boxes should be required
to offer non-smart options of their box (at appropriately reduced prices)
(obviously only the owner of the TM can do that, we can't legislate for it).

Not because I'm a luddite who doesn't want that functionality.

but because I already have 2 devices in my living room that provide me with
that functionality, and I don't want to be forced into paying over the odds
for a third when all I want to do is upgrade my video recorder to a ****ing
bigger disk.

In a well-known, specialised AV shop the assistant told me that he
wouldn't
buy a Humax.


but what would he buy?

I once went into a specialist HIFi shop looking to buy a high quality
"Integrated" unit

despite having several such products on offer that I asked him to compare
the pros and cons of for me, all he did was spend 5 minutes trying to
persuade me that I should "upgrade" to separates.

I walked out.

It's all very well saying that "I wouldn't buy a Humax", but not if his
alternative is "not a set top box" at all.

tim



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Old August 4th 17, 02:18 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Sky Q uses a new wideband LNB that means the boxes have 12
tuners with only two LNB connections, one for each polarisation.


how does that plug into communal systems?


In theory, wide band LNBs simplify communal systems since only two LNB
signals need to be distributed, instead of four for dual band systems,
but a wider bandwidth is needed. Such a system would be useless for
existing freesat dual band boxes.

Sky Q boxes are designed to work with a new communal multiswitches
system using dSCR (digital single cable reception) which delivers up to
16 satellite signals to the Sky box down a single coax from the switch,
enough for the 12 tuners. The dSCR multiswitch also works with
existing dual band Sky boxes and, freeview and freesat.

Full technical explanation of Sky Q and dSCR at:

http://www.ableis.co.uk/archives/4606

and you can buy Triax TMDS dSCR multiswitches at:

https://www.satellitesuperstore.com/...ultiswitch.htm

A five input, four output multiswitch is 250 which would feed four Sky
Q boxes, up to 16 outputs (770).

Angus






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Old August 4th 17, 03:09 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd" wrote in
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Sky Q uses a new wideband LNB that means the boxes have 12
tuners with only two LNB connections, one for each polarisation.


how does that plug into communal systems?


In theory, wide band LNBs simplify communal systems since only two LNB
signals need to be distributed, instead of four for dual band systems,
but a wider bandwidth is needed. Such a system would be useless for
existing freesat dual band boxes.


As I thought (on nothing more than a guess)

everyone has to go out and buy a new machine at the same time (or all
subscribe to Sky Q, when most of then want nothing to do with Sky ABCDEF...)

Good luck with that one.

tim





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Old August 4th 17, 04:15 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:00:24 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:00:37 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
Everything is set to go up in price a lot in the next year or so, so
now is the time to jump.


OTOH the price of Freesat boxes hasn't moved in the past 3 years,
despite 1 and a half iterations of Moore's law

In Humax's case, that means dropping functionality in favour of
glitzcrap and upping the running power by 20W.
In a well-known, specialised AV shop the assistant told me that he
wouldn't buy a Humax.
For my next box it might well be the 4k Mutant or similar.
https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/[email protected]

If I can manage such an esoteric beastie. Fast boot and 13W running.


Thanks.

Half decent specification with two satellite tuners and a 1TB HDD plus a
WiFi dongle all comes to £250.

Hard to justify the extra £60 over the Humax HDR-1100S 1TB and way above
the £69 (and scrabble some disc bits together) for the HB-1000S.

Cheers


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Old August 4th 17, 04:16 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:32:47 +0200, Martin wrote:

In Humax's case, that means dropping functionality in favour of glitzcrap
and upping the running power by 20W.


Humax Freesat boxes have increased functionality and have nothing I would
describe as glitzy.


Interesting - better the devil I know...
The increased power is daft - this is the 4th PC I've built and now the
whole rig is lower power than the 14" colour CRT that I had.

In a well-known, specialised AV shop the assistant told me that he wouldn't
buy a Humax.


Bad advice, was he trying to sell you a more expensive make?
Humax was recommended by Real Sound.


The place sold only Humax (except for a couple of Freeview boxen and I want
Freesat).
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Old August 4th 17, 04:20 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:57:00 +0100, pamela wrote:

On 09:00 4 Aug 2017, PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:00:37 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news Everything is set to go up in price a lot in the next year or
so, so now is the time to jump.

OTOH the price of Freesat boxes hasn't moved in the past 3
years, despite 1 and a half iterations of Moore's law

In Humax's case, that means dropping functionality in favour of
glitzcrap and upping the running power by 20W.
In a well-known, specialised AV shop the assistant told me that
he wouldn't buy a Humax.
For my next box it might well be the 4k Mutant or similar.
https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/[email protected]

If I can manage such an esoteric beastie. Fast boot and 13W
running.


Maybe it's a good product but the brand name Mutant doesn't exactly
inspire confidence. It's sounds like something coined by
enthusiastic playful geeks operating out of a garage.


Yup - and, judging by the setting up, typical Linux. The vids on YT say it's
simple - well, I'd have to do research on that!
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