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Old June 2nd 17, 01:38 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mr Pounder Esquire
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I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it on
24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday cottage and
was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to look into it :-(
So, here I go.
Is it all really free?
Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it instead of
SKY?
Is it simple to use?
Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?
Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?
What would be a decent box to buy?


Thanks.



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Old June 2nd 17, 02:17 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Friday, 2 June 2017 14:39:12 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it on
24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.


You've been Murdoched.

The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday cottage and
was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to look into it :-(
So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


Yes and there are more FTA channels as well.

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf


Not checked, there are a couple of hundred of them. Plus another hundred or so FTA. Some replication (e.g. BBC and ITV regions) and dross (religious and ad' channels).

If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it instead of
SKY?


Good marketing by $ky.


Is it simple to use?


Yes for programs in the EPG.

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?


Yes, apart from the newest duo ones. If the box also records you will need two feeds.

Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?


No same position.

What would be a decent box to buy?


Any. Many TV's incorporate Freesat and many more contain an undocumented FTA satellite receiver, but NOT the Freesat EPG (so all the programs, but no glossy features like reserving etc.



Thanks.


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Old June 2nd 17, 02:43 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 14:39:12 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it
on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.


You've been Murdoched.


Aye.


The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


Yes and there are more FTA channels as well.


What is a FTA?
Pardon my ignorance

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf


Not checked, there are a couple of hundred of them. Plus another
hundred or so FTA. Some replication (e.g. BBC and ITV regions) and
dross (religious and ad' channels).


Okay.

If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY?


Good marketing by $ky.

Aye

Is it simple to use?


Yes for programs in the EPG.


What is a EPG?
Pardon my ignorance.

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?


Yes, apart from the newest duo ones. If the box also records you
will need two feeds.


There are two cables coming from the SKY dish and going into the back of the
SKY box. Will these be the two feeds?

Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?


No same position.


Good!

What would be a decent box to buy?


Any. Many TV's incorporate Freesat and many more contain an
undocumented FTA satellite receiver, but NOT the Freesat EPG (so all
the programs, but no glossy features like reserving etc.


All she wants to do is watch and record.

Thanks.



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Old June 2nd 17, 03:03 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Friday, 2 June 2017 15:43:41 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 14:39:12 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it
on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.


You've been Murdoched.


Aye.


The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


Yes and there are more FTA channels as well.


What is a FTA?


Free to Air. All Freesat channels are FTA, but not all FTA channels are on Freesat, however receivers include the ability to find and tune FTA channels as well.

Pardon my ignorance

OK

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf


Not checked, there are a couple of hundred of them. Plus another
hundred or so FTA. Some replication (e.g. BBC and ITV regions) and
dross (religious and ad' channels).


Okay.

If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY?


Good marketing by $ky.

Aye

Is it simple to use?


Yes for programs in the EPG.


What is a EPG?

Electronic Program Guide - you can see what programs there are a week ahead..
Pardon my ignorance.

Twice? well OK.

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?


Yes, apart from the newest duo ones. If the box also records you
will need two feeds.


There are two cables coming from the SKY dish and going into the back of the
SKY box. Will these be the two feeds?


Yes - the previous set up will have been Sky+


Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?


No same position.


Good!

What would be a decent box to buy?


Any. Many TV's incorporate Freesat and many more contain an
undocumented FTA satellite receiver, but NOT the Freesat EPG (so all
the programs, but no glossy features like reserving etc.


All she wants to do is watch and record.


Many TV's will now record on USB, although to record full HD you will probably need a USB pen drive. (still 64GB for £20 is pretty cheap).


Thanks.


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Old June 2nd 17, 03:04 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it on
24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday cottage and
was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to look into it :-(
So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


It's really free (except for the cost of the box/dish)

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it instead of
SKY?


because you need a dish on the side of your house

Is it simple to use?


Yep

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?


yep

Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?


Nope

What would be a decent box to buy?


what features do you want?

(do you have twin feeds from your dish)

tim



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Old June 2nd 17, 03:15 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Indy Jess John
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Default Freesat?

On 02/06/2017 14:38, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it on
24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday cottage and
was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to look into it :-(
So, here I go.
Is it all really free?
Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it instead of
SKY?
Is it simple to use?
Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?
Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?
What would be a decent box to buy?


Thanks.



The channels in On Demand are not provided by the normal Freesat boxes;
you need something described as "Smart", and for nearly all of them you
also need some form of paid subscription as well.

The other Freesat channels are all genuinely "Free" to receive and
available from the Astra satellite, which is the one that a Sky dish
points at. The things that you might have to pay for (as a one-off
payment) is something that can decode the signal that the dish receives.
Typical Freesat dishes are round, whereas Sky ones are oval, and there
are different LNBs depending on whether the dish is round or oval. You
can reuse a Sky Dish with the Sky LNB for Freesat, but you can't get the
best reception from a SKY dish with a LNB designed for a round dish, nor
from the Sky LNB in front of a round dish. You do get a reception
though, so you are not looking at an either/or situation. The main
consideration is how many feed cables the current Sky LNB can support
(recording one Freesat channel while watching another requires two LNB
feed cables). If you have a Sky LNB with only one cable feed, then you
are probably better off trying to replace dish and LNB together rather
than trying to source a multi-cable Sky-compatible LNB.

The one thing that Sky provides (for its fee) that Freesat doesn't, is
better sport coverage and better film coverage. The other thing to bear
in mind is that although there seem to be a lot of Freesat channels, a
lot of the Freesat channels specialise in repeats. Some are old repeats
where you might have missed the first broadcast and are glad to see the
opportunity to see it now; or else you did see it but it was long ago
and you couldn't really remember it and it is nice to have a refresher.
But some are recent repeats; useful if you missed it first time but a
waste of bandwidth if you didn't.

There are some channels on Freeview that are not on Freesat, but most of
the ones you are likely to want to watch are present on both. Unlike
Freesat with its single satellite source, it does make a difference
which Freeview aerial you connect to. A main transmitter has about
three times the number of channels that you can receive from a local
repeater (at least that what I found in my area). If you have a Freesat
receiving box that can also pick up other free non-Freesat channels, you
will find that you can also view out-of-area "local" BBC and ITV
broadcasts, which you can't easily do with Freeview.

The one thing you will notice is that PVRs capable of recording Freesat
transmissions require two feeds from your LNB; it isn't the same
technology as Freeview where everything comes down a single cable. You
will also discover that Freesat recorders are dearer than Freeview ones,
though decoders without recording capabilities remain pretty cheap. All
Freesat dishes can deliver HD channels (there is no DVB-T or DVB-T2
distinction) but not all decoder boxes can handle HD (though most can).
Some TVs can receive Freesat directly, but most are designed to receive
Freeview so you need to consider whether your TV is Freesat capable or
whether you need a decoder box or PVR to feed the TV.

I bought a Manhattan HDR-S Freesat PVR which I am please with, but John
Lewis who sold it to me seems to have discontinued it. Humax is the
other name in the frame, but I have no experience of their range.
Somebody else might be able to help with their product choices.

Jim

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Old June 2nd 17, 03:20 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mr Pounder Esquire
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 15:43:41 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 14:39:12 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has
it on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.

You've been Murdoched.


Aye.


The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?

Yes and there are more FTA channels as well.


What is a FTA?


Free to Air. All Freesat channels are FTA, but not all FTA channels
are on Freesat, however receivers include the ability to find and
tune FTA channels as well.


Understood.

Pardon my ignorance

OK

:-)
Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf

Not checked, there are a couple of hundred of them. Plus another
hundred or so FTA. Some replication (e.g. BBC and ITV regions) and
dross (religious and ad' channels).


Okay.

If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY?

Good marketing by $ky.

Aye

Is it simple to use?

Yes for programs in the EPG.


What is a EPG?

Electronic Program Guide - you can see what programs there are a week
ahead.

Understood.

Pardon my ignorance.
Twice? well OK.

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?

Yes, apart from the newest duo ones. If the box also records you
will need two feeds.


There are two cables coming from the SKY dish and going into the
back of the SKY box. Will these be the two feeds?


Yes - the previous set up will have been Sky+


So, I'd plug both into a Freesat box then?


Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?

No same position.


Good!

What would be a decent box to buy?

Any. Many TV's incorporate Freesat and many more contain an
undocumented FTA satellite receiver, but NOT the Freesat EPG (so all
the programs, but no glossy features like reserving etc.


All she wants to do is watch and record.


Many TV's will now record on USB, although to record full HD you will
probably need a USB pen drive. (still 64GB for 20 is pretty cheap).

Seems that she could not care less about HD.

Thanks.



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Old June 2nd 17, 03:41 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mr Pounder Esquire
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tim... wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it
on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


It's really free (except for the cost of the box/dish)

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY?


because you need a dish on the side of your house


Or Sky customers are just complacent, like us.

Is it simple to use?


Yep

Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?


yep

Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?


Nope

What would be a decent box to buy?


what features do you want?


All she does is watch one prog and record something else at the same time.
She sets it to record something else the next day. Nothing too grand.


(do you have twin feeds from your dish)

The cable from the dish splits into two at the back of the telly. These
screw into the back of the Sky box.

Thanks for the reply.




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Old June 2nd 17, 03:58 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mr Pounder Esquire
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Indy Jess John wrote:
On 02/06/2017 14:38, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it
on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?
Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY? Is it simple to use?
Does the Freesat box just plug into the SKY dish connections?
Will the dish need pointing somewhere else?
What would be a decent box to buy?


Thanks.



The channels in On Demand are not provided by the normal Freesat
boxes; you need something described as "Smart", and for nearly all of
them you also need some form of paid subscription as well.


She has looked at them and does not want them.

The other Freesat channels are all genuinely "Free" to receive and
available from the Astra satellite, which is the one that a Sky dish
points at. The things that you might have to pay for (as a one-off
payment) is something that can decode the signal that the dish
receives. Typical Freesat dishes are round, whereas Sky ones are
oval, and there are different LNBs depending on whether the dish is
round or oval. You can reuse a Sky Dish with the Sky LNB for
Freesat, but you can't get the best reception from a SKY dish with a
LNB designed for a round dish, nor from the Sky LNB in front of a
round dish. You do get a reception though, so you are not looking at
an either/or situation. The main consideration is how many feed
cables the current Sky LNB can support (recording one Freesat channel
while watching another requires two LNB feed cables). If you have a
Sky LNB with only one cable feed, then you are probably better off
trying to replace dish and LNB together rather than trying to source
a multi-cable Sky-compatible LNB.


A new dish can't be all that expensive if the reception is poor.
We have two cables from the dish going into the back of the Sky box.



The one thing that Sky provides (for its fee) that Freesat doesn't, is
better sport coverage and better film coverage. The other thing to
bear in mind is that although there seem to be a lot of Freesat
channels, a lot of the Freesat channels specialise in repeats. Some
are old repeats where you might have missed the first broadcast and
are glad to see the opportunity to see it now; or else you did see it
but it was long ago and you couldn't really remember it and it is
nice to have a refresher. But some are recent repeats; useful if you
missed it first time but a waste of bandwidth if you didn't.


No interest in sport. Sky once offered it free for a month and could not
understand why we did not want it.
They gave us the movie channel free for a month years ago. We did not watch
it

There are some channels on Freeview that are not on Freesat, but most
of the ones you are likely to want to watch are present on both. Unlike
Freesat with its single satellite source, it does make a
difference which Freeview aerial you connect to. A main transmitter
has about three times the number of channels that you can receive
from a local repeater (at least that what I found in my area). If
you have a Freesat receiving box that can also pick up other free
non-Freesat channels, you will find that you can also view
out-of-area "local" BBC and ITV broadcasts, which you can't easily do
with Freeview.


She had the telly aerial replaced a few years ago. Great big tall thing,
biggest in the area.


The one thing you will notice is that PVRs capable of recording
Freesat transmissions require two feeds from your LNB; it isn't the
same technology as Freeview where everything comes down a single
cable. You will also discover that Freesat recorders are dearer than
Freeview ones, though decoders without recording capabilities remain
pretty cheap. All Freesat dishes can deliver HD channels (there is
no DVB-T or DVB-T2 distinction) but not all decoder boxes can handle
HD (though most can). Some TVs can receive Freesat directly, but most
are designed to receive Freeview so you need to consider whether your
TV is Freesat capable or whether you need a decoder box or PVR to
feed the TV.


TV can receive Freeview, there is nothing about Freesat. It is less than 12
months old.

I bought a Manhattan HDR-S Freesat PVR which I am please with, but
John Lewis who sold it to me seems to have discontinued it. Humax is
the other name in the frame, but I have no experience of their range.
Somebody else might be able to help with their product choices.

Cheers for coming back to me.



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Old June 2nd 17, 04:16 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news
tim... wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news
I know very little about TV and watch very little of it. Wife has it
on 24/7.
We have had SKY for many many years.
The wife has just come back from a few days away in a holiday
cottage and was very impressed with the Freesat. She wants me to
look into it :-( So, here I go.
Is it all really free?


It's really free (except for the cost of the box/dish)

Do we really get all of these channels free? Not interested in On
Demand.
http://cdn.freesat.co.uk/freesat/fre...201%202017.pdf
If Freesat really is this good, why doesn't everybody have it
instead of SKY?


because you need a dish on the side of your house


Or Sky customers are just complacent, like us.


The previous occupant of my flat had Sky

As a 20 something girly, I doubt that she had any interest in the Sports
channels

and she had no kids so didn't want to supplement with extra Kids stuff that
is a bit sparse on FS

I've always wondered what she saw the need to pay 40 quid a month for

tim



 




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