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New TV channel for BBC in Scotland



 
 
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Old February 24th 17, 07:25 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Roderick Stewart[_3_]
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:31:08 -0000, "Norman Wells"
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How successful or sensible that may be is another matter. But may ease the
problem of having most of the work concentrated in London where the base
costs are highest.

Scotland's population is only 8.4% of the UK's, which is quite tiny.

It wouldn't get far trying to run its own national television service on 8.4% of
the current licence revenue.


if that's the case how does Norway, or for that matter Iceland, manage to do it?


By buying in or creating cheap dross presumably, a bit like Movies4Men 2.


If we've got to have dross, I'd rather pay for cheap dross than
expensive dross.

The vast majority of the output of mainstream television now looks
like expensive dross. Meanwhile, others such as Netflix and Amazon can
produce quality programmes for about half the cost of a BBC licence. A
lot is included in the basic deal, but even if you want more you only
pay for what you watch, and Amazon deliver parcels as well.

Rod.
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Old February 24th 17, 08:43 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article , charles
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Note that until recently, according to a recent statement I heard,
the
licence fee income from Scotland was greater than the BBC spend in
Scotland. One argument for the new channel is to bring this into
balance.

if Scotland only got programmes made in Scotland, that would make
sense.
But, most of the broadcast hours are made centrally and need to be
paid
for.

That's presumably why there has been a tendency to at least make it
look
like programme making (and thus employment and money into the local
economy) has been redistributed in recent years. AIUI the policy now is
to
try and spread where work is done to be more representitive of where
the
people are who are paying.

How successful or sensible that may be is another matter. But may ease
the
problem of having most of the work concentrated in London where the
base
costs are highest.

Scotland's population is only 8.4% of the UK's, which is quite tiny.

It wouldn't get far trying to run its own national television service on
8.4% of the current licence revenue.


if that's the case how does Norway, or for that matter Iceland, manage to
do it?


By buying in or creating cheap dross presumably, a bit like Movies4Men 2.


but do they?

My only personal experience is of a country slightly larger - Sweden

And there, whilst there are a few imports of foreign programs, which of
course have the extra costs or needing to be subtitled, most of it is home
grown.

There's probably no more foreign programming than there is US programming in
BritLand

tim



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Old February 24th 17, 08:50 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Bill Taylor[_2_]
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Default New TV channel for BBC in Scotland

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:25:59 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:31:08 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

How successful or sensible that may be is another matter. But may ease the
problem of having most of the work concentrated in London where the base
costs are highest.

Scotland's population is only 8.4% of the UK's, which is quite tiny.

It wouldn't get far trying to run its own national television service on 8.4% of
the current licence revenue.

if that's the case how does Norway, or for that matter Iceland, manage to do it?


By buying in or creating cheap dross presumably, a bit like Movies4Men 2.


If we've got to have dross, I'd rather pay for cheap dross than
expensive dross.

The vast majority of the output of mainstream television now looks
like expensive dross. Meanwhile, others such as Netflix and Amazon can
produce quality programmes for about half the cost of a BBC licence. A
lot is included in the basic deal, but even if you want more you only
pay for what you watch, and Amazon deliver parcels as well.

Rod.


It may not cost much to you but they have enormous production budgets
for very little production. Apparently Amazon spent $2.67billion and
Netflix $4.9 billion in 2015. According to the annual report the BBC
spent 2.67 billion on production in 2015/6 for the entire output of
many channels.

I watch Amazon prime and it has a few good shows, but most of it is
dross, just like all the other channels; very expensively produced
dross.
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Old February 24th 17, 08:54 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:31:08 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

How successful or sensible that may be is another matter. But may ease
the
problem of having most of the work concentrated in London where the
base
costs are highest.

Scotland's population is only 8.4% of the UK's, which is quite tiny.

It wouldn't get far trying to run its own national television service
on 8.4% of
the current licence revenue.

if that's the case how does Norway, or for that matter Iceland, manage
to do it?


By buying in or creating cheap dross presumably, a bit like Movies4Men 2.


If we've got to have dross, I'd rather pay for cheap dross than
expensive dross.

The vast majority of the output of mainstream television now looks
like expensive dross. Meanwhile, others such as Netflix and Amazon can
produce quality programmes for about half the cost of a BBC licence.


except that the Netflix fee does not pay for its distribution network, you
have to pay extra for that

A
lot is included in the basic deal, but even if you want more you only
pay for what you watch,


It's hard to find a comprehensive list (without logging on)

but Netflix appear to offer no more than 20 hours of new programming a week

that's hardly a comprehensive service

and no news programs, current affairs, few documentaries, no nature
programs, few kids programs etc

the idea that it is a viable stand alone replacement for broadcast TV is
just nonsense

It's easy to be "cheaper" if your remit is just to cherry pick a few hits to
be shown at peak time (albeit the users own choice of peak time), much
harder if the remit is to provide 24-7 service including a long list of
minority interests.

tim



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Old February 24th 17, 09:19 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Roderick Stewart[_3_]
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Default New TV channel for BBC in Scotland

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:50:24 +0000, Bill Taylor
wrote:

I watch Amazon prime and it has a few good shows, but most of it is
dross, just like all the other channels; very expensively produced
dross.


Yes, some of it is rubbish, but if a programme has an individual
price, as some do, you can choose whether you think it's worth paying
for. You can't do that with the BBC; you have to pay for all of it in
order to watch any of it, or even if you only want to watch programmes
from other broadcasters and none from the BBC at all. And it costs you
about twice as much as Amazon or Netflix.

Rod.
 




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