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Timeline for BBC local news in HD?



 
 
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Old December 27th 16, 12:03 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Scott[_2_]
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:54:10 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Are you sure its not just a case of them being to 'tight' up there to spend
any money?
I know this is what you meant but why call aspade a man powered digging
device.
Brian


As I mentioned, they told me this:

"On the question of HD transmission in general, there are currently no
plans to introduce such a service for BBC Two in any of the nations.
The reason for this is entirely financial, rather than technological.
However we fully intend to continue to monitor the position should
circumstances change, financially or technologically."

Sounds like a spade to me.
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Old December 27th 16, 08:30 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 23/12/2016 08:48, Mark Carver wrote:
On 22/12/2016 16:34, larkim wrote:
When is this coming? Seems excessively long in the development?


BBC Regional news in HD might be a long way off in some areas, all BBC 1
regions being available as BBC 1 HD will be sooner, because with the 700
MHz sell off to be completed by early 2020, simulcasting of HD and SD
will have to cease, (to make proper use of remaining spectrum post 2020).

Therefore between now and 2020 we're likely to see BBC 1 and 2
available in HD in all regions and 'nations'.
The only BBC regions that are HD capable for the local news are
London, North West, and South West. The only nation is Scotland.
Cardiff is moving to a brand new building in 2018/9, so that'll
go HD, duuno about Belfast.

For the remaining SD only local news studios, they will be upscaled to
HD (as Wales and NI currently are)

Nottingham was next due for a refit, but I'm told all refits for the
regions are now on hold. Plymouth was the last regional HD refit,
so that can do HD, but of course is only presently seen in SD, (same for
North West and London).


The BBC are currently scared stiff of upsetting the government. Though
now the Charter and Licence Fee increased are settled an idea of monies
available is firmer. Because of the massive cost cutting the BBC has
had to resort to, money spent on technology will come from programmes.

As Mark says, the cost of upgrading Regions is considerable, though the
centralised Coding & Mux has reduced this side.

I find it somewhat ironic that the Beeb's critics shout about waste of
money in upgrading to regional HD, and even BBC1+1. Yet the much better
funded itv and sky don't manage to get the audiences that the beeb do.
The BBC had 8 of the top 10 programmes on Christmas Day.
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Old December 28th 16, 06:10 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:07 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

I would be happy with the SD output being sent out on the HD channel
for the duration of the local news for the purely lazy reason that it
is a PITA to switch away from the swimming Hippos and soothing sound
of children laughing.


As Dickie says, just enabling that functionality is still going to be
expensive, but quite honestly we are talking about the flagship channel,
on the world's largest public broadcaster; but hey...


What would make it expensive? Surely all that would be needed at each
regional centre would be a converter and a switch. They seem to have
managed something equivalent for the changeovers from monochrome to
colour, and 4:3 to widescreen. There was even a time when BBC1 was
being distributed in 625 lines to regions that were transmitting it in
405 lines and occasionally opting out and broadcasting their own
programmes locally generated in 405. During these various changeover
periods, not everyone would have the benefit of the new technology
straight away, but at least they'd be able to watch the programmes.
Perhaps the broadcasters no longer employ anyone who knows how to
design a relay panel.

Rod.
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Old December 28th 16, 06:19 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mark Carver
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On 28/12/2016 18:10, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:07 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

I would be happy with the SD output being sent out on the HD channel
for the duration of the local news for the purely lazy reason that it
is a PITA to switch away from the swimming Hippos and soothing sound
of children laughing.


As Dickie says, just enabling that functionality is still going to be
expensive, but quite honestly we are talking about the flagship channel,
on the world's largest public broadcaster; but hey...


What would make it expensive? Surely all that would be needed at each
regional centre would be a converter and a switch.


....and HD distribution from London of 'network BBC 1'

....and onward HD distribution to the two code and mux centres

....and having to create about a dozen new stat mux versions of PSB 3 for
DTT, so extra codecs and other glue, plus redundant back ups (possibly)
(Although the cost could be shared to an extent by ITV HD doing the same)

....and transponder space to carry a dozen more BBC 1 HDs for Freesat/Sky
(probably two whole transponders worth

Easy to engineer, but try and get that lot past the bean counters for
the sake of less than a hour a day's worth of programming. (And that's
just to get upconverted SD regional news on BBC 1 HD in every region)


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Old December 29th 16, 10:07 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 29/12/2016 09:15, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

[snip]

Local adverts delivered over the internet could also be inserted into
programmes. It might be possible to pre-download adverts, overnight
for instance, to avoid slow downs during peak times, and slot them into
programmes as needed.


Not might be possible, it is possible, and Sky have been doing just that
for punters using suitable STBs for about a year I think ?
(Not local ads, but targeted ads, but the principle is exactly the same)

I saw a demo, it's so seamless, you don't realise it's happened.

The Beeb could use that platform to insert local news, either streamed,
or from the SD transponders into BBC 1 HD.


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Old December 29th 16, 10:11 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Most new TVs and set-top boxes have internet capability now, so it
needs a new specification for Freeview and Freesat boxes that
integrates streaming internet programmes into the EPG transparently,
effectively putting BBC3 back into the TV schedules.

Which would mean that quite a lot of people wouldn't have access to TV
because they don't have th necessary internet connection bandwidth.

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Old December 29th 16, 10:17 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Most new TVs and set-top boxes have internet capability now, so it
needs a new specification for Freeview and Freesat boxes that
integrates streaming internet programmes into the EPG transparently,
effectively putting BBC3 back into the TV schedules.

Which would mean that quite a lot of people wouldn't have access to TV
because they don't have th necessary internet connection bandwidth.


and, even if they did, it would eat into their monthly data allowance.

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Old December 29th 16, 10:35 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Mark Carver
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On 29/12/2016 10:17, charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Most new TVs and set-top boxes have internet capability now, so it
needs a new specification for Freeview and Freesat boxes that
integrates streaming internet programmes into the EPG transparently,
effectively putting BBC3 back into the TV schedules.

Which would mean that quite a lot of people wouldn't have access to TV
because they don't have th necessary internet connection bandwidth.


and, even if they did, it would eat into their monthly data allowance.


There are now plenty of packages giving unlimited allowances. I have one
with Plusnet. Fibre connection at 14:99/mth.

The limiting factor is the lack of a decent bandwidth connection for
many, not the allowances per se.

I heard on the news yesterday (so it may well be ********) that the
average data consumption for a UK household is now 120 gigs/month.


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Old December 29th 16, 10:40 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
charles[_2_]
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In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
On 29/12/2016 10:17, charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Most new TVs and set-top boxes have internet capability now, so it
needs a new specification for Freeview and Freesat boxes that
integrates streaming internet programmes into the EPG transparently,
effectively putting BBC3 back into the TV schedules.

Which would mean that quite a lot of people wouldn't have access to TV
because they don't have th necessary internet connection bandwidth.


and, even if they did, it would eat into their monthly data allowance.


There are now plenty of packages giving unlimited allowances. I have one
with Plusnet. Fibre connection at 14:99/mth.


The limiting factor is the lack of a decent bandwidth connection for
many, not the allowances per se.


I agree with that. I have a friend who is 4 miles from the exchange and
over two miles from the nearest fibre cabinet. I'm lucky - the fibre
cabinet is only 100yds away.

I heard on the news yesterday (so it may well be ********) that the
average data consumption for a UK household is now 120 gigs/month.



if that "average household" has 2 teenagers, I wouldn't be surprised.

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