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Old November 12th 16, 05:06 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
MikeS
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Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of how the
Freesat+ EPG operates? I have long assumed that the EPG data is
broadcast by satellite and has links to either the live satellite
channels or the Internet URLs for the various servers supplying on
demand and catchup services.

Recently someone claimed on the Digital Spy forums that "the on demand
services are provided by Freesat's own servers. It used to be called
Freetime but they changed the name to Freesat Smart +." His evidence for
this is a link to
http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-is-freesat
but that simply talks about the on demand services available from the EPG.

To me his claim seems to be nonsense but for once Google is unable to
find any explanation of how the EPG functions.
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Old November 13th 16, 08:46 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 12/11/2016 18:06, MikeS wrote:
Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of how the
Freesat+ EPG operates? .. snip


You could try BBC R & D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd

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Old November 14th 16, 10:30 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:44:26 GMT, pamela wrote:

On 09:49 13 Nov 2016, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:06:50 +0000, MikeS
wrote:

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of
how the Freesat+ EPG operates? I have long assumed that the EPG
data is broadcast by satellite and has links to either the live
satellite channels or the Internet URLs for the various servers
supplying on demand and catchup services.

Recently someone claimed on the Digital Spy forums that "the on
demand services are provided by Freesat's own servers. It used
to be called Freetime but they changed the name to Freesat Smart
+." His evidence for this is a link to
http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-is-freesat
but that simply talks about the on demand services available
from the EPG.

To me his claim seems to be nonsense but for once Google is
unable to find any explanation of how the EPG functions.

I have one Humax box that gets the EPG directly from a satellite
and another that gets it via Internet.


Is that the Humax 5600S?


No.The former is a Humax HDR 1100S 1 TB PVR, the latter is a Humax HB1000S
STB


I hope they fixed the "bugs" when releasing the latter.

I have the former and have discovered that there is an increased number of
"restart" [1] glitches when it is connected to the internet, than when it
isn't.

Annoyingly, it's impossible to disconnect the 1100S from wi-fi once you have
connected it (it is hard coded to "always connect"), other than by disabling
the router, which is a PITA as it means that I can't then connect my laptop.

I had to reset to factory defaults to lose the password, to stop it
connecting (attempting to connect with an incorrect password failed to reset
the saved one). Now I can't use catch up on my box (fortunately I don't use
that feature much)

Of course, should I report this fault I expect to get the normal "couldn't
care less" response from Hummy, so I wont bother.

tim

[1] further information available if required



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Old November 14th 16, 06:14 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Max Demian
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:30:30 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
...


No.The former is a Humax HDR 1100S 1 TB PVR, the latter is a

Humax HB1000S
STB


I hope they fixed the "bugs" when releasing the latter.


I have the former and have discovered that there is an increased

number of
"restart" [1] glitches when it is connected to the internet, than

when it
isn't.


Annoyingly, it's impossible to disconnect the 1100S from wi-fi once

you have
connected it (it is hard coded to "always connect"), other than by

disabling
the router, which is a PITA as it means that I can't then connect

my laptop.

Couldn't you change the password on the router?

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Max Demian
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Old November 14th 16, 07:50 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Andy Burns[_12_]
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MikeS wrote:

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of how the
Freesat+ EPG operates?


Isn't it just in the SI tables?

https://www.dvb.org/resources/public/standards/a38_dvb-si_specification.pdf


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Old November 15th 16, 08:06 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Max Demian" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:30:30 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
...


No.The former is a Humax HDR 1100S 1 TB PVR, the latter is a

Humax HB1000S
STB


I hope they fixed the "bugs" when releasing the latter.


I have the former and have discovered that there is an increased

number of
"restart" [1] glitches when it is connected to the internet, than

when it
isn't.


Annoyingly, it's impossible to disconnect the 1100S from wi-fi once

you have
connected it (it is hard coded to "always connect"), other than by

disabling
the router, which is a PITA as it means that I can't then connect

my laptop.

Couldn't you change the password on the router?


I could

but then I would have to "remember" it, so that I could program it into all
new devices that I get

As it is now, it's printed on a little credit card thing that came in the
box - not lost it yet :-)

tim



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Old November 15th 16, 08:28 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
tim...[_2_]
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"pamela" wrote in message
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On 11:30 14 Nov 2016, tim... wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:44:26 GMT, pamela
wrote:

On 09:49 13 Nov 2016, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:06:50 +0000, MikeS
wrote:

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation
of how the Freesat+ EPG operates? I have long assumed that
the EPG data is broadcast by satellite and has links to
either the live satellite channels or the Internet URLs for
the various servers supplying on demand and catchup services.

Recently someone claimed on the Digital Spy forums that "the
on demand services are provided by Freesat's own servers. It
used to be called Freetime but they changed the name to
Freesat Smart +." His evidence for this is a link to
http://www.freesat.co.uk/what-is-freesat
but that simply talks about the on demand services available
from the EPG.

To me his claim seems to be nonsense but for once Google is
unable to find any explanation of how the EPG functions.

I have one Humax box that gets the EPG directly from a
satellite and another that gets it via Internet.

Is that the Humax 5600S?

No.The former is a Humax HDR 1100S 1 TB PVR, the latter is a
Humax HB1000S STB


I hope they fixed the "bugs" when releasing the latter.

I have the former and have discovered that there is an increased
number of "restart" [1] glitches when it is connected to the
internet, than when it isn't.

Annoyingly, it's impossible to disconnect the 1100S from wi-fi
once you have connected it (it is hard coded to "always
connect"), other than by disabling the router, which is a PITA
as it means that I can't then connect my laptop.

I had to reset to factory defaults to lose the password, to stop
it connecting (attempting to connect with an incorrect password
failed to reset the saved one). Now I can't use catch up on my
box (fortunately I don't use that feature much)

Of course, should I report this fault I expect to get the normal
"couldn't care less" response from Hummy, so I wont bother.

tim

[1] further information available if required


The list of bugs and design flaws of the flagship satellite
recievers from Humax makes my head spin. I was once keen to get
one but a sizeable minority of purchasers were complaining
bitterly about certain aspects that I put off buying one until
these problems had been shaken out. With Humax it seems this
never actually happens.


The list of features that my 9150 FreeView box has, that the next generation
FreeSat box is missing, is endless.

Whilst they do seem to have the best hardware in class (I have experience of
two other manufactures which are rubbish by comparison), if I were a senior
SW engineer at Hummy working on the GUI (that is my specialisation) I would
be embarrassed at the product I had delivered.

I'd be aspiring to the Principle role so that I could sort it all out!

OTOH, they did fix the bug where the recording of back to back [1] programs
was (still is) very unreliable.

You are right, they never fix anything except the most catastrophic of
failures - and only then after they have spent 9 months blaming someone
else.

tim

[1] one program ends at 9pm with the next starting at 9pm. I couldn't use
the term "consecutive" programs because that would imply "on the same
channel" - which wasn't a necessary feature of it not working.











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Old November 15th 16, 02:40 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 14/11/2016 20:50, Andy Burns wrote:
MikeS wrote:

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of how the
Freesat+ EPG operates?


Isn't it just in the SI tables?

https://www.dvb.org/resources/public/standards/a38_dvb-si_specification.pdf



I am no expert but I think they just hold the information needed to
extract and use the digital channels encoded in each mux, not the live
(or historical for play on demand) programme information displayed in
the Freesat or Freesat+ GUI.

Sadly this thread turned into a debate about problems with Humax!


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Old November 15th 16, 06:10 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
tim...[_2_]
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"pamela" wrote in message
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On 09:56 15 Nov 2016, Martin wrote:

There are reviews of the HDR 1100S here

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-
reviews/B0104SYAO4/ref=cm_cr_arp
_d_hist_2?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=two_star&showViewpo ints=
0&pageNumber=1

The majority are 5 star. The one star reviews seem to be
defective boxes.

In some ways I preferred the old Foxsat box. We've had the HDR
1100S box since mid August 2016, after the receivers on the
Foxsat box died.

I bought ours from Richer Sounds. The box contained nether a
Richer Sounds nor a Humax guarantee. Been back and got the free
6 years guarantee that Richer Sounds advertised.

We've had an occasional problem. A couple of times it went into
hibernation mode while we were watching. It forgets the subtitle
setting - it turns it off. We get this about once a week It
turns on the audio description, maybe once a month. I find the
font used in the programme info too small. I can't find a quick
way to locate channels. Forwarding/Rewind works like a Sky box
now. Foxsat allowed one to step forward in user defined time
steps. We've had a couple of programmes that didn;t record, but
I think it was because there was a clash. I miss not being able
to see which channels are being recorded, without having to go
via the menu to recorded programmes.


Most of those reviews for the HDR 1100S were positive but a
non-trivial number of people gave very negative reviews based on
some nasty sounding problems.


apart from the restart problem that I mentioned, none of the issues with my,
what is actually the 1010s is a bug

they are just annoyances.

It takes more key presses to do a particular task than the 9150 takes.
Sometimes considerably more.

Martin mentioned the problem with displaying the current live recordings
(something which you might wish to do to stop the recording early)

there are a dozen other little things like that

tim











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Old November 16th 16, 07:58 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Andy Burns[_12_]
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MikeS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

MikeS wrote:

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative explanation of how the
Freesat+ EPG operates?


Isn't it just in the SI tables?
https://www.dvb.org/resources/public/standards/a38_dvb-si_specification.pdf


I am no expert but I think they just hold the information needed to
extract and use the digital channels encoded in each mux, not the live


I think it's the actual EIT (event information tables) which contain
current/future programmes, long time since I looked at MythTV sources.

(or historical for play on demand) programme information displayed in
the Freesat or Freesat+ GUI.


I did wonder if this thread was about Freesat Play (which would need
event info from the past) rather than Freesat Plus

 




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