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OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes



 
 
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Old November 8th 16, 09:00 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Jim Lesurf[_2_]
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.


Two things struck me about your posting.

1) You cross-posted it to uk.d-i-y.

2) You didn't mention the main argument in the actual "Dispatches"
programme in question as the dominating cause of our housing problems. This
was the way the large housebuilders control the market to limit supply and
exploit homelessness to boost their profits. And by implication, that
politicians of all parties have for decades let them get away with this
because of the faith system that "the market knows best". Possibly
enhanced by the donations made to some political parties.

Anyone who didn't see the programme might find it useful to know they
reported that the number of new builds per year has fallen year-by-year
every year since John Major was PM. The land is being bought up, and
planning permission obtained. But then the companies sit and let the
land prices rise as they throttle the supply side.

If you think the d-i-y people will now set to bulding the homes we lack,
they may first need to deal with the way the large companies suck up the
land required, and drive up prices to their own advantage.

In practice, then, if you actually want to understand and fix the housing
problems it would be better to deal with the above rather than starting a
winge and ****-stir here about "why the population has increased". All that
would do it provide more "cover" for the large companies and their paid for
pocket politicians.

Jim

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Old November 8th 16, 09:12 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
charles[_2_]
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , RJH wrote:


On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.


It's not population increase - in the main the physical shortage is due
to household composition (more smaller households) and empty properties.


15 million extra isn't a population increase, then?


House prices are another, related, issue.


And why d'ye think house prices might have gone up to the extent they
have?


Trickle down from Russian Oligarchs paying over the odds for mansions in
London.

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Old November 8th 16, 09:14 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
The Natural Philosopher[_2_]
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

On 08/11/16 10:12, charles wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , RJH wrote:


On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

It's not population increase - in the main the physical shortage is due
to household composition (more smaller households) and empty properties.


15 million extra isn't a population increase, then?


House prices are another, related, issue.


And why d'ye think house prices might have gone up to the extent they
have?


Trickle down from Russian Oligarchs paying over the odds for mansions in
London.

Was that a serious statement?

Do you really think the price of mansions in London affects the price of
an estate house in Hinkley?



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Old November 8th 16, 10:59 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
Dan S. MacAbre[_2_]
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pamela wrote:
On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill


Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost.


I've been quite surprised at some of Mason's outpourings now that he
feels able to speak his mind. I've read a few of Yanis's blog things,
and been surprised how sensible he seems when he's not making news.
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Old November 8th 16, 11:20 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
Dan S. MacAbre[_2_]
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Martin wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:55:17 GMT, pamela wrote:

On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill


Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost. \


You forgot "British educated and qualified economist" Varoufakis. My dentist is
related to him, a cousin or aunt?? Varoufakis has recently told Brexit
negotiators to expect the same treatment from the EU hierarchy as he got. I
expect worse. Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government. Greece can't repay
the loans.


You might enjoy this if you have a spare hour or so.

https://varoufakis.files.wordpress.c...ne-paradox.pdf

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Old November 8th 16, 12:48 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
Dan S. MacAbre[_2_]
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:20:53 +0000, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote:

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:55:17 GMT, pamela wrote:

On 20:06 7 Nov 2016, Bill Wright wrote:

I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total
one-sided bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided. Now
Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that
it's partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they
don't say why the population has increased.

Bill

Worse than Jon Snow is the previous economics editor for Channel 4
News, Paul Mason. He's pleasant enough on the telly but very left
leaning and a good mate of wacko Greek economist and
self-proclaimed "game theorist", Yanis Varoufakis, who tried to
bluff Grexit with the EU but lost. \

You forgot "British educated and qualified economist" Varoufakis. My dentist is
related to him, a cousin or aunt?? Varoufakis has recently told Brexit
negotiators to expect the same treatment from the EU hierarchy as he got. I
expect worse. Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government. Greece can't repay
the loans.


You might enjoy this if you have a spare hour or so.

https://varoufakis.files.wordpress.c...ne-paradox.pdf



I did enjoy the article. Thanks. So who is really wacko?


Dunno. Perhaps it's all theatre.
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Old November 8th 16, 01:27 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

On 08/11/2016 00:46, Bill Wright wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:28, JoeJoe wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.

Bill


I sometime wonder if people voted for Brexit because of the BBC stance
on the subject.


You meant out of mad like?


No, but out of viewing their (vastly over-paid, almost exclusively
oxbridge graduates) arrogant and biased presenters that are as
antagonising as the politicians that most experts believe were the
reason the "plebs up north" voted leave.

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Old November 8th 16, 01:36 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
JoeJoe
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

On 08/11/2016 12:12, Martin wrote:
Greece's problems are that German banks lent Greece billions to
spend on German imports encouraged by the German government. Greece can't repay
the loans.


Well, Greece's problem is that people in Greece, in particular the self
employed and the middle classes are tax avoiders (upper classes don't
pay tax anywhere...). See
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2109500 for example.


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Old November 8th 16, 02:32 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

In article ,
JoeJoe wrote:
I sometime wonder if people voted for Brexit because of the BBC stance
on the subject.


You meant out of mad like?


No, but out of viewing their (vastly over-paid, almost exclusively
oxbridge graduates) arrogant and biased presenters that are as
antagonising as the politicians that most experts believe were the
reason the "plebs up north" voted leave.


Yes. Far better to take note of the vastly over paid 'oxbridge graduates'
like Boris. At least you had the choice there - given he changed his mind
so often.

And St Nige came from good working class stock, did he?

The very very sad thing is that all those 'working class plebs up north'
who voted out on the basis of *promises* of a better life after leaving
the EU are the most likely ones to be stuffed even more by an economic
downturn.

The idea that this Tory government would somehow insulate them from the
country as a whole getting poorer is simply pie in the sky. They've
carried on with cuts to benefits for the low paid employed. And you ain't
seen anything yet.

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Old November 8th 16, 02:37 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.d-i-y
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Default OT. Channel Four are as bad as the BBC sometimes

On 08/11/2016 08:09, RJH wrote:
On 07/11/2016 20:06, Bill Wright wrote:
I've just watched John Snow's report from the US. Utter total one-sided
bias against Trump. Staggeringly one-sided.
Now Dispatches are on about the housing shortage. They mention that it's
partly due to the 'massive population increase' but they don't say why
the population has increased.


It's not population increase - in the main the physical shortage is due
to household composition (more smaller households) and empty properties.


So the programme was wrong?

If the problem is that more people live alone why isn't there a price
premium on small flats?

Bill

 




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