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Old August 27th 16, 06:43 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:23:29 +0100, Peter Crosland
wrote:

On 27/08/2016 13:15, Bill Wright wrote:
Sky had a still picture and a witness report of the M20 bridge
collapse
25 minutes before the BBC showed anything. Sky also had video just
a few
minutes after the still picture.

I wonder if people are now think of Sky rather than the BBC when
they
are a witness at a dramatic event. Hmm...


Sheer chance as to who on the spot decides to send pictures to.


BBC are consistently last with breaking news.
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Maybe because they have been in trouble so much they now have internal
standards of verification that have to be met before they can air it?
Having said that there have been times in the last year or two when
Sky and the likes of Euronews have aired something in early evening
and Auntie haven't even mentioned it until mid morning the next day!



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Old August 27th 16, 07:00 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Andy Burns wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Not hard at all. The truck clearly has some sort of hydraulic arm on the
back, and these are notorious for gradually lifting en-route. Which is
why they are *supposed* to be tied down.


But the arm doesn't seem to have reached the bridge, and from another
angle the arm didn't seem to be up.


Actually, from footage on the BBC news, it *does* look like the digger
arm struck the bridge ...


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Old August 27th 16, 07:02 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 27/08/2016 17:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Peter Duncanson wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Not hard at all. The truck clearly has some sort of hydraulic arm on the
back, and these are notorious for gradually lifting en-route. Which is
why they are *supposed* to be tied down.


http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...e-collapse.jpg

The one with the hydraulic arm is on the hard shoulder


But the arm doesn't seem to have reached the bridge, and from another
angle the arm didn't seem to be up.


There was a yellow bit of plant ahead of the orange digger.


And Kent Police have released
https://www.kent.police.uk/news/poli...s-leave-scene/

"A digger being transported on the back of a heavy goods vehicle
collided with the bridge on the London-bound carriageway between
Junctions 4 and 3 shortly after 12.05pm on Saturday 27 August 2016. "


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Old August 27th 16, 07:16 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:29:14 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Scott
writes


And which radio staton is operated by Sky News?


Isn't LBC part of the Sky empire?


Not unless this is out of date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Radio

Global Radio is a British media company formed in 2007, which owns a
large number of radio stations across the country.
....

One of the group's radio stations:

LBC is a London orientated speech-based station featuring news,
opinion and information.

Global Radio is a privately owned company.

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Old August 27th 16, 07:29 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:29:14 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Scott
writes


And which radio staton is operated by Sky News?


Isn't LBC part of the Sky empire?


Not unless this is out of date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Radio

Global Radio is a British media company formed in 2007, which owns a
large number of radio stations across the country.
....

One of the group's radio stations:

LBC is a London orientated speech-based station featuring news,
opinion and information.

Global Radio is a privately owned company.

Noted - although Sky seems to be mentioned fairly frequently in LBC's
news bulletins. But maybe they're just good friends!
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Old August 27th 16, 08:42 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:12:15 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at
06:36:42 on Sat, 27 Aug 2016, R. Mark Clayton
remarked:
Hard to see how a truck that was unlikely to have been over 5m and
had already passed under numerous motorway bridges could suddenly hit
one.


Not hard at all. The truck clearly has some sort of hydraulic arm on the
back, and these are notorious for gradually lifting en-route. Which is
why they are *supposed* to be tied down.


Yes.

The pictures show two vehicles in adjacent lanes with the bridge on top
of both.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...e-collapse.jpg

The one with the hydraulic arm is on the hard shoulder


Comparison with the Google Streetview image https://goo.gl/maps/u9ztDdb8Zrx,
taken from the same angle as
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/c...i034973950.jpg
(one of the pictures on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37204050)
the footbridge has "broken" at the expansion joint, which is hardly
surprising. The right-hand pillar of the bridge is a long way behind the
crash barrier between the hard shoulder and the side of the cutting, so it's
unlikely that the lorry with the hydraulic arm hit the support; more likely
that the hydraulic arm hit the deck of the bridge and knocked it sideways,
towards the camera and away from the sign gantry in the background.

So how did the arm raise? That will be the crucial thing the accident
investigators will have to look at. Did the driver or the person loading the
hydraulic arm onto the trailer both check that the arm was locked down? I
wonder if any in-car camera footage will emerge to show the crash actually
happening or to show the lorry just beforehand.

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Old August 27th 16, 09:53 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:29:48 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:29:14 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Scott
writes


And which radio staton is operated by Sky News?

Isn't LBC part of the Sky empire?


Not unless this is out of date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Radio

Global Radio is a British media company formed in 2007, which owns a
large number of radio stations across the country.
....

One of the group's radio stations:

LBC is a London orientated speech-based station featuring news,
opinion and information.

Global Radio is a privately owned company.

Noted - although Sky seems to be mentioned fairly frequently in LBC's
news bulletins. But maybe they're just good friends!


Maybe LBC uses Sky as a leading provider of news.

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  #28  
Old August 27th 16, 10:06 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:42:16 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:12:15 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at
06:36:42 on Sat, 27 Aug 2016, R. Mark Clayton
remarked:
Hard to see how a truck that was unlikely to have been over 5m and
had already passed under numerous motorway bridges could suddenly hit
one.

Not hard at all. The truck clearly has some sort of hydraulic arm on the
back, and these are notorious for gradually lifting en-route. Which is
why they are *supposed* to be tied down.


Yes.

The pictures show two vehicles in adjacent lanes with the bridge on top
of both.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...e-collapse.jpg

The one with the hydraulic arm is on the hard shoulder


Comparison with the Google Streetview image https://goo.gl/maps/u9ztDdb8Zrx,
taken from the same angle as
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/c...i034973950.jpg
(one of the pictures on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37204050)
the footbridge has "broken" at the expansion joint, which is hardly
surprising. The right-hand pillar of the bridge is a long way behind the
crash barrier between the hard shoulder and the side of the cutting, so it's
unlikely that the lorry with the hydraulic arm hit the support; more likely
that the hydraulic arm hit the deck of the bridge and knocked it sideways,
towards the camera and away from the sign gantry in the background.

So how did the arm raise? That will be the crucial thing the accident
investigators will have to look at. Did the driver or the person loading the
hydraulic arm onto the trailer both check that the arm was locked down? I
wonder if any in-car camera footage will emerge to show the crash actually
happening or to show the lorry just beforehand.


I think someone has already suggested that the low-loader was carrying
two vehicles. The digger on the rear of the deck doesn't look as if it
has been damaged. The bridge has fallen on the deck in front of it.
There might be something further forward that hit the bridge and now has
the bridge lying on it.

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  #29  
Old August 27th 16, 10:57 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 22:06:50 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:42:16 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:12:15 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at
06:36:42 on Sat, 27 Aug 2016, R. Mark Clayton
remarked:
Hard to see how a truck that was unlikely to have been over 5m and
had already passed under numerous motorway bridges could suddenly hit
one.

Not hard at all. The truck clearly has some sort of hydraulic arm on the
back, and these are notorious for gradually lifting en-route. Which is
why they are *supposed* to be tied down.

Yes.

The pictures show two vehicles in adjacent lanes with the bridge on top
of both.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...e-collapse.jpg

The one with the hydraulic arm is on the hard shoulder


Comparison with the Google Streetview image https://goo.gl/maps/u9ztDdb8Zrx,
taken from the same angle as
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/c...i034973950.jpg
(one of the pictures on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37204050)
the footbridge has "broken" at the expansion joint, which is hardly
surprising. The right-hand pillar of the bridge is a long way behind the
crash barrier between the hard shoulder and the side of the cutting, so it's
unlikely that the lorry with the hydraulic arm hit the support; more likely
that the hydraulic arm hit the deck of the bridge and knocked it sideways,
towards the camera and away from the sign gantry in the background.

So how did the arm raise? That will be the crucial thing the accident
investigators will have to look at. Did the driver or the person loading the
hydraulic arm onto the trailer both check that the arm was locked down? I
wonder if any in-car camera footage will emerge to show the crash actually
happening or to show the lorry just beforehand.


I think someone has already suggested that the low-loader was carrying
two vehicles. The digger on the rear of the deck doesn't look as if it
has been damaged. The bridge has fallen on the deck in front of it.
There might be something further forward that hit the bridge and now has
the bridge lying on it.


I've now had a better view of the relative positions of the trucks and
the fallen section of the bridge. The top of the hydraulic arm is not
behind where the bridge uses to be. The vridge section seem to have been
detached at one end and forced forward (in the direction of movement of
traffic on that side) before becoming detached at the other end.

What is puzzling is that the bridge section appears to have been pushed
through the side of the van-like truck. The top of that truck has been
ripped open along one side. It looks as though perhaps the bridge
section was hit and broken at one end but remained temporarily attached
at the other so that for a time it was hanging at an angle. When it
finally broke off at the other end it dropped and in so doing forced its
way through the side of the van-like truck.




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Old August 28th 16, 03:40 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 27/08/2016 15:11, Martin wrote:

or was fiddling with his sat nav whilst eating a Big Mac and drinking a cup of
coffee?


Your suggestion is parody, but the reality is that a professional driver
can cope with multi-tasking far better than you.

Bill
 




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