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A question about why some channels never put out AD



 
 
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Old April 6th 15, 02:29 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

I was just wondering how it is than channels like CBS Action and reality and
horror and many other channels on Freeview never seem to use AD at all, even
if say, Movie Mix screen one with AD originally its not available on the
transmission.
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had to do
a certain amount of audio described TV. Have they found a loophole, and if
so, it seems pretty mean to use it to deny people of enjoyment, I use that
term slightly tongue in cheek, considering much of the rubbish on air these
days.
I think Horror are running Dark angel, a sci if series, but on watching one
or two the other night it is impossible to follow without AD.

on the other hand ridiculous shows like Ghost adventures get audio
described. Who is going to be scared by an audio description of a ghost?
Brian

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Old April 6th 15, 04:26 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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I was just wondering how it is than channels like CBS Action and reality
and horror and many other channels on Freeview never seem to use AD at
all, even if say, Movie Mix screen one with AD originally its not
available on the transmission.


This'll be the same channels that don't put on subs

And don't get their series linking right, but that isn't something we can
complain about as a disability thing (unfortunately)

tim





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Old April 6th 15, 11:17 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

On Monday, 6 April 2015 15:29:54 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had to do
a certain amount of audio described TV.


There's a quota system for which channels have to provide access and how much output they have to provide access for.

Ofcom website says:

In 2015, 79 domestic channels will be required to provide access. These channels account for over 90 per cent of the audience share for UK TV.

Level 1 access is 80% for subtitling, 5% for signing and 10% for audio description. Channel 4 and 5 are 90% subtitling and BBC channels are 100% subtitling. No channel has to provide more than 10% audio description.

It's all laid down in the Ofcom Code on Television Access Services, linked from he

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...services-2015/

or the following Tiny URL to the PDF document:

http://tinyurl.com/ofcomaccess

Owain

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Old April 7th 15, 07:54 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Monday, 6 April 2015 15:29:54 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had to
do
a certain amount of audio described TV.


There's a quota system for which channels have to provide access and how
much output they have to provide access for.

Ofcom website says:

In 2015, 79 domestic channels will be required to provide access. These
channels account for over 90 per cent of the audience share for UK TV.

Level 1 access is 80% for subtitling, 5% for signing and 10% for audio
description. Channel 4 and 5 are 90% subtitling and BBC channels are 100%
subtitling. No channel has to provide more than 10% audio description.

It's all laid down in the Ofcom Code on Television Access Services, linked
from he

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...services-2015/


Hm

So the "American" channels can get away without then!

tim


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Old April 7th 15, 08:26 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

Yes but what you quoted does not answer the question, how come stations like
Movie Mix true entertainment and the cbs channels never ever use audio
description.
Many movies have it on the original release on dvd for example and in the
cinema, but when these channels get them, they do not have it.
Film four are very good in this respect, even though sometimes they forget
to put it on the program guide, if it was there it gets broadcast, so its
always worth listening for a few minutes, but not ont hthe other channels,
as they don't do it.
Is it perhaps a function of coverage? a lot of stations do not exist on the
relay sites, only the main transmitters do they not?
Brian

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On Monday, 6 April 2015 15:29:54 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had to
do
a certain amount of audio described TV.


There's a quota system for which channels have to provide access and how
much output they have to provide access for.

Ofcom website says:

In 2015, 79 domestic channels will be required to provide access. These
channels account for over 90 per cent of the audience share for UK TV.

Level 1 access is 80% for subtitling, 5% for signing and 10% for audio
description. Channel 4 and 5 are 90% subtitling and BBC channels are 100%
subtitling. No channel has to provide more than 10% audio description.

It's all laid down in the Ofcom Code on Television Access Services, linked
from he

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...services-2015/

or the following Tiny URL to the PDF document:

http://tinyurl.com/ofcomaccess

Owain



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Old April 7th 15, 08:30 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

But they may well have us connections but the announcers are British, and I
suspect a lot of the content is being sent from the uk or europe.
Series like TNG NCIS and others had AD on other stations that ran them, so
its only actually doing the deal to use the tracks surely?

ITV seem to go to the lengths of doing old shows on repeat, like Murder She
Wrote, the Avengers, etc, so I can see no excuse, unless their margins are
mega low.
Brian

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wrote in message
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On Monday, 6 April 2015 15:29:54 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had
to do
a certain amount of audio described TV.


There's a quota system for which channels have to provide access and how
much output they have to provide access for.

Ofcom website says:

In 2015, 79 domestic channels will be required to provide access. These
channels account for over 90 per cent of the audience share for UK TV.

Level 1 access is 80% for subtitling, 5% for signing and 10% for audio
description. Channel 4 and 5 are 90% subtitling and BBC channels are 100%
subtitling. No channel has to provide more than 10% audio description.

It's all laid down in the Ofcom Code on Television Access Services,
linked from he

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...services-2015/


Hm

So the "American" channels can get away without then!

tim




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Old April 7th 15, 09:37 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 09:26:07 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes but what you quoted does not answer the question, how come stations like
Movie Mix true entertainment and the cbs channels never ever use audio
description.


They aren't required to by Ofcom, so they don't bother.

I think Ofcom negotiate with the broadcasters based on audience figures and the cost of providing the service.

In terms of cost some channels' equipment might not be able to handle audio description or they don't have the staff etc to manage it. And some broadcasters are on very low margins.

Wikipedia says that True Entertainment's audience share is 0.4% and True Movies 1 is 0.1%. The BARB figures show the CBS channels as 0.1% to 0.5% of total viewing. Film4 and Film4 +1 get 1.3%

It's unfortunate if you like a minority channel, and are also in the minority using audio description. If Ofcom would regulate that broadcasters should maintain access services if the programme was originally produced with access, then things might be better, but there are probably technical reasons why subtitling or audio description gets 'lost' between versions.

Owain

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Old April 7th 15, 08:21 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Default A question about why some channels never put out AD

On 06/04/2015 15:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just wondering how it is than channels like CBS Action and reality and
horror and many other channels on Freeview never seem to use AD at all, even
if say, Movie Mix screen one with AD originally its not available on the
transmission.
I was under the impression that after a certain time all channels had to do
a certain amount of audio described TV. Have they found a loophole, and if
so, it seems pretty mean to use it to deny people of enjoyment, I use that
term slightly tongue in cheek, considering much of the rubbish on air these
days.
I think Horror are running Dark angel, a sci if series, but on watching one
or two the other night it is impossible to follow without AD.

on the other hand ridiculous shows like Ghost adventures get audio
described. Who is going to be scared by an audio description of a ghost?
Brian


I have the same problems with subtitles. Often the programmes have been
shown on either the BBC or ITV channels with subtitles. They are then
repeated again on these CBS et. al. channels but I can;t watch them as
the subtitles are not repeated.......
 




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