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Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?



 
 
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Old December 27th 14, 04:29 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Bill Wright[_2_]
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Woody wrote:

The point I was making is that if you buy a set with
built-in Freesat and Freesat goes down the tubes then so des
the TV unless - as you rightly say - you get another
external box to give you the new standard. The OP implied
that he was buying a built-in as he did not want to use an
external box.


I think we have to accept that from now on external boxes will be
inevitable in most installations.

Bill
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Old December 27th 14, 04:31 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Andy Furniss wrote:

I know nyquist needs to be observed


Is that when they don't eat during the day?

Bill
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Old December 27th 14, 04:52 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:26:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_i d=VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper Freesat EPG.

Bill


???????????

A Freesat EPG on a Freeview box?


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Old December 27th 14, 05:06 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 27/12/2014 17:52, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:26:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_id =VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper Freesat EPG.

Bill


???????????

A Freesat EPG on a Freeview box?



Gosh even Bill believing what a Currys salesman tells him.
Regards
David
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Old December 27th 14, 07:40 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your
local Cash Converters where you will probably be able to
get a Sky multiroom box for about 20 and it will very
likely still have an expired subscription card in it to
get the 'correct' local channels. (If you run it without
a card you will get BBC1 London and ITV Central West on
101 and 103 respectively.) If it does not have a card and
you would like one it is a once off 25 from Sky. In this
instance you are receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is
the same as Freesat but with a different EPG.


http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_id =VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is 22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper
Freesat EPG.



Wiliam, are you having a bad hair day? This box is
Freeview - we were talking Freesat!


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Old December 27th 14, 08:37 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Vir Campestris
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On 27/12/2014 11:12, David wrote:
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture results?


FWIW - I chose my set for its picture quality, particularly the way it
handles movement. And it's 3D capable - with an adapter to run the
shuttered glasses, which I didn't buy.

Which reminds me (cue other thread)

Andy
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Old December 27th 14, 08:57 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Bill Wright[_2_]
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Woody wrote:

Wiliam, are you having a bad hair day? This box is
Freeview - we were talking Freesat!



No I was ****ed up. And don't call me William, especially with one L!

Bill
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Old December 27th 14, 09:41 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?


On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat to save
bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum GOP length?) that
was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up with separate
brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type of stream which
gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and forth.


What's the point in interlacing when nearly everyone has LCD or plasma?

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Old December 27th 14, 10:10 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Andy Furniss[_3_]
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Max Demian wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit
inclined to call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?


On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat
to save bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum
GOP length?) that was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up
with separate brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type
of stream which gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and
forth.


What's the point in interlacing when nearly everyone has LCD or
plasma?


To save bandwidth compared to 50p but still allow 50 fields/sec for fast
paced content which would look juddery at 25 fps.

Of course with screens that refresh/fake refresh 50fps you can still
see judder a bit, hence TVs having frame interpolation.

UHD at least seems to have finally abandoned interlaced and offers the
prospect for higher fps. There's a BBC research paper/page somewhere
that calculates (IIRC) 600 fps would be needed for UHD to match static
res to motion res.



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Old December 27th 14, 10:33 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
Andy Furniss[_3_]
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Woody wrote:

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying in
general as not enough people are prepared to pay the hiked prices. Go
look how many 3D TV's are on sale in Expensive World compared with,
say, 18 months ago.


True, but immersive 3D could be the future - if you've got a good enough
"phone" and don't mind wearing a cardboard box :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cardboard

http://www.jauntvr.com/content/

Of course http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Rift

will likely be better.


 




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