At 17:20:59 Thu, 5 Jan 2012, Ian Jackson
on.co.uk wrote in article :
In message , John
Legon writes
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Legon wrote:
At the other end of the scale, I bought a 40-inch full HD telly from
Sainsburys last week for £250. Amazing value for money.
Presumably sans HD tuner?

Correct. It doesn't concern me though, since I use the TV with an HD
satellite box. As it turns out, however, the picture quality with SD
Freeview is much better than I thought it would be - especially with
programmes that were originated in HD - so the lack of an HD tuner
wouldn't bother me much even if I didn't have HD on satellite!

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a "Full
HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

One oddity I've noticed with this Sainsbury's TV is that the media
player supports mpeg-4 video files, albeit only at 720 x 576, and
even though only mpeg-1 and 2 (up to 1920 x 1080) are mentioned in the
manual. Not sure why that should be, unless the hardware is in place
for DVB-T2, but may have to wait until DSO in March to find out.

--
John L

On 05/01/2012 8:04 PM, Daniallo wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:33:27 -0600, Richard wrote:

http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-r...able-for-home-
entertainment/

I stand to be corrected, but you need a higher spec HDMI cable for 3D



i have a cheap HDMI cable connecting my pc to my tv - and another
connecting my ps3 to the tv.
both deliver 3D without an issue - it's either going to work or you'll
get massive sparklies.
you won't get a ' less crisp ' image -whatever that's supposed to be.
only requirement is for the cable to be hdmi 1.4 ( from memory)

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

On 05/01/2012 8:48 PM, J G Miller wrote:
On Thursday, January 5th, 2012, at 19:04:56h +0000, Mark Carver wrote:

Excepting Welsh speakers, rugby enthusiasts, and presumably you ? does
anybody else care ?

You do not have to be able to speak Cymraeg to watch the station since
it provides English sub-titles for most programs.



flicking through the channels a while back i saw they were showing a
welsh version of x factor - the title translated as farm factor and it
had young farmers competing in tasks such as shifting hay bales.
i'm welsh and i don't watch it - crap is crap in any language.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

In article ,
Richard wrote:

I prefer this one

http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-r...able-for-home-
entertainment/

With HDMI being digital the lead will either work or not!

Or maybe it will work for a while, and then break like this:

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~richard/hdmi.jpg

Digital signals don't mean you can't make a poor quality cable.

-- Richard

On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to the
resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what the
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as one
of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess

In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to the
resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what the
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as one
of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess

So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set, can
someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you need to
look for in order to get what you expect to get?
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:

if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set, can
someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you need to
look for in order to get what you expect to get?

For the UK specifically "Freeview HD" it the only phrase that equates to
DVB-T2/MPEG4/MHEG5.

More generally "HD TV 1080p" could refer to DVB-T1/MPEG4/MHP or
ISDB-T/MPEG2/BML which would be fully operational HD TV sets in other
parts of the world, but not the UK.

So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set,
can someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you
need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?

No. You need first to tell us what you expect to get.

(Even the most nanny of pressure groups has not yet suggested that
vendors of TVs etc take potential customers through the sort of
checklist that IFAs havwe to use before selling a financial product.
You are free to think they should. But it all adds cost; and could
pretty well kill off bricks-and-mortar stores.)

There is of course the alternative approach taken by many Apple fans:
they just want it whatever it does
--

Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set, can
someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you need to
look for in order to get what you expect to get?

The term Full HD was in use before FreeView HD arrived. With the pace of
developments in these sort of things it pays never to assume anything.

Ages ago I bought a set with twin digital tuners. They were in fact for
analogue reception only. But did the tuning part digitally. When there was
only analogue transmissions, it was a fair enough description. When
digital arrived, how do 'they' change a description retrospectively?

--
*Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:20:59 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , John
Legon writes
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Legon wrote:
At the other end of the scale, I bought a 40-inch full HD telly from
Sainsburys last week for £250. Amazing value for money.
Presumably sans HD tuner?

Correct. It doesn't concern me though, since I use the TV with an HD
satellite box. As it turns out, however, the picture quality with SD
Freeview is much better than I thought it would be - especially with
programmes that were originated in HD - so the lack of an HD tuner
wouldn't bother me much even if I didn't have HD on satellite!

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a "Full
HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

Don't be daft, the ones with a HD tuner will be clearly badged
"Æthelred".

--
Graham.
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