If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer it
uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is different.
Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not used?


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Michael Chare

In article ,
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk says...

If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer it
uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is different.
Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not used?

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the information
from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

....snip...

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the information
from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

The latest Humax (and Panny TVs) are Linux based so I suspect they will be
built upon far more standard software than you imagine.

If you want to REALLY know what is going on, get hold of an old Netgear hub
(they're blue and called hubs not switches) and plug as follows...

Router --- (port 1) hub
Humax --- (port 2) hub
PC --- (port 3) hub

Now use Wireshark (Google etc) on the PC to watch traffic flowing, You
should see the flows when you start up Humax's interface and then iPlayer
from there.

BTW, some manufacturers sold "hubs" (i.e. they say "Hub" on them) which were
actually switches. A switch will figure out "humax talking to router" and
not pass the packets to the PC but a hub is "someone talking to someone
else - throw the packets at everyone!" which is how the PC can see what the
Humax and router are discussing.

Paul DS.

In article , Moles Harding
wrote:
In article ,
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk says...

If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer it
uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is different.
Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not used?

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the information
from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

If no "URL" how does it find the info stream via the net?

And how have Humax arranged with the BBC to supply them with a special
stream? Is this an exclusive confidential arrangement?

BTW My understanding is that the 'BBC' don't even write the Flash software
they use for the web interface. IIUC That is outsourced.

Slainte,

Jim

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On 05/01/2012 10:12, Paul D Smith wrote:
...snip...

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the information
from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

The latest Humax (and Panny TVs) are Linux based so I suspect they will
be built upon far more standard software than you imagine.

If you want to REALLY know what is going on, get hold of an old Netgear
hub (they're blue and called hubs not switches) and plug as follows...

Router --- (port 1) hub
Humax --- (port 2) hub
PC --- (port 3) hub

Now use Wireshark (Google etc) on the PC to watch traffic flowing, You
should see the flows when you start up Humax's interface and then
iPlayer from there.

BTW, some manufacturers sold "hubs" (i.e. they say "Hub" on them) which
were actually switches. A switch will figure out "humax talking to
router" and not pass the packets to the PC but a hub is "someone talking
to someone else - throw the packets at everyone!" which is how the PC
can see what the Humax and router are discussing.

Paul DS.

I did wonder about trying to use WiFi as I don't have a non switching hub.


--
Michael Chare

In article ,
says...

In article , Moles Harding
wrote:
In article ,
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk says...

If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer it
uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is different.
Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not used?

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the information
from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

If no "URL" how does it find the info stream via the net?

They probably use a fixed IP address. But what I meant was it will not
have an address that you can simply type into IE8 and expect to see what
you see on the Humax screen.


And how have Humax arranged with the BBC to supply them with a special
stream? Is this an exclusive confidential arrangement?

You can access IPlayer on lots of devices, include the WII, so it is
probably licenced, but the real trick will be knowing how to decode the
information in order to make use of it.


BTW My understanding is that the 'BBC' don't even write the Flash software
they use for the web interface. IIUC That is outsourced.


Flash is a program by Adobe.

Michael Chare mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote:

If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer it
uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is different.
Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not used?

Not as such. It would only need a subset of the features of the official
Flashplayer to play BBC iPlayer streams. Specifically, it needs to know
how use the "RTMP" Internet protocol to read an "FLV" packaged stream, and
play the industry-standard "AAC" and "AVC" encoded audio and video
bitstreams contained within that package. Adobe allows the creation of
third-party players that can handle *some* of Flashplayer's proprietary
protocols, which fortunately includes "RTMP" and "FLV". The BBC servers
do some additional fancy footwork to obfuscate the location of the
streams, but they'd presumably let TV makers know the details.

This page lists the stream formats -- scroll to the bottom:

http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_TV

On 05/01/2012 19:22, Dave Farrance wrote:
Michael CharemUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote:


This page lists the stream formats -- scroll to the bottom:

http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_TV

Thanks I am getting nearer my goal.

Clarke-Tech have released a web browser than runs on my ET9000. This
enables me to stream various German TV channels. However if I go to the
normal BBC iPlayer web page it wants me to install flash, but there is
not a suitable version.

I am trying to avoid that problem, though the exercise is largely
academic, as I have a slow broadband connection and my TV has Internet
capability.


--
Michael Chare

In article , Moles Harding
wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article , Moles
Harding wrote:
In article ,
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk says...

If I access the BBC iPlayer via my PC using www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
it uses the Adobe Flash Player to show programmes.

If I use my Samsung TV of the Humax HDR the initial page is
different. Can anyone tell me what is the URL for this page?

Does the TV and STB have the Flash Player built in, or is it not
used?

The Humax will have bespoke software to read and display the
information from Iplayer so no Internet browser, no flash and no URL.

If no "URL" how does it find the info stream via the net?

They probably use a fixed IP address.

So that will effectively be the the URL. What you meant I presume is that
no domain lookup is required for the fetch.


But what I meant was it will not
have an address that you can simply type into IE8 and expect to see what
you see on the Humax screen.

That will be the case for any data where 'IE8' lacks the protocol or a way
to decypher what is sent.


And how have Humax arranged with the BBC to supply them with a special
stream? Is this an exclusive confidential arrangement?

You can access IPlayer on lots of devices, include the WII, so it is
probably licenced, but the real trick will be knowing how to decode the
information in order to make use of it.

Yes, I've noticed that. :-)


BTW My understanding is that the 'BBC' don't even write the Flash
software they use for the web interface. IIUC That is outsourced.


Flash is a program by Adobe.

Yes, I knew that Flash is an Adobe-created system. Actually both a language
and a set of code to act on instructions given in that language. So just
calling it a "program" may miss some significant points here. Did you not
know that the Flash layer of the BBC iPlayer is a specific set of code that
*uses* 'Flash'. Adobe don't themselves write every bit of code that others
run *using* Flash..

Slainte,

Jim

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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html