As I've not been able to find online, to link to, the PDF I received
from Digital-Logo/DigitalUK this morning, I hope I will be forgiven by
the copyright holders for reproducing its contents here unedited
(except to achieve equivalent layout) and uncommented on:

"""Non-switchover related changes to BBC satellite services

The BBC is reorganising its channel line-up on digital satellite
during September in advance of closing its ('DSat3') feed on Astra 2B
on 7 October 2011.

All TV channels and radio services will remain but some 'Enhanced TV'
(ETV) red button video streams will close on digital satellite (Sky
and Freesat) and digital cable (Virgin Media) platforms.

The BBC News, BBC Parliament and BBC ALBA TV channels will move onto
different satellite transponders with the same footprint as the BBC
One service

The current seven ETV video streams will be reduced to five and one of
the mosaic video streams used to provide embedded content in some 'red
button' applications will also be closed. The News video mosaic
stream, or 'multiscreen', is unaffected by these changes.

Most viewers will not need to take any action:

* Sky viewers should find their Sky boxes update automatically. Any
that do experience problems should call Sky on 08442 411 653.

* In most cases, Freesat viewers should not need to take any action
either. However for some Freesat models it might be necessary for the
user to turn it off and back on again, or to do a retune using the box
or TV menu. They should also check any scheduled recordings for BBC
News, BBC Parliament or BBC ALBA. Those needing help with a Freesat
box or integrated TV are being advised by the BBC to contact Freesat
on 08450 990 990 or the receiver manufacturer.

* Virgin Media uses satellite as the source for BBC standard
definition TV channels and will therefore need to make a few technical
changes, but its viewers should not need to do anything.

The details and timing

The changes will be made in two stages on dates below (these are
provisional and subject to possible change). There will also be a
period of dual-illumination where both the new and old locations for
BBC ALBA, BBC News and BBC Parliament will apply:

Phase 1: Move BBC News, BBC Parliament and BBC ALBA off DSat7 (Astra
transponder 13)
* BBC News will move to DSat2 (Astra transponder 47)
* BBC Parliament will move to DSat5 (Astra transponder 46)
* BBC ALBA will move to DSat6 (Astra transponder 48)

The services will be available in their new locations (as well as the
old) on 20 September 2011. The EPG tuning information will be updated
as follows:
22 September 2011
Freesat will change their channel lists to point to the new location
Virgin Media will update their platform
26 September 2011
Sky will update their channel listings
The dual-illumination period ends and these services will no longer be
available at their old locations.

Phase 2: Move all ETV streams to DSat7 (Astra transponder 13)
28 September 2011
Second period of dual-illumination with ETV services at old and new
locations
Virgin Media will update their platform
Freesat and Sky will change their channel lists to point to the new
location
07 October 2011
The BBC's 'DSat3' transponder feed closes

The changes are not switchover related but are in response to the BBC
Trust's review of the BBC Red Button service, published in November
2010. It challenged the BBC to reduce the cost of the Red Button
service, particularly its distribution costs and highlighted the
disparity in the number of video streams offered to satellite and
cable viewers compared with terrestrial viewers.

The tuning parameters for the remaining BBC transponders will stay the
same and these details can be found at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/...quencies.shtml
This page will be updated with the new service line-up when the BBC
has completed the changes.

The BBC has an Internet blog explaining what is happening and why at:
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/08/red_button_dsat_astra.html"""
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:34:56 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

As I've not been able to find online, to link to, the PDF I received
from Digital-Logo/DigitalUK this morning, I hope I will be forgiven by
the copyright holders for reproducing its contents here unedited
(except to achieve equivalent layout) and uncommented on:

"""Non-switchover related changes to BBC satellite services

Thank you.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

You know, I have yet to find anyone who uses red buttons at all.
This sounds like the transponder equivelent of defaging a drive!
So all these freed up transponders will no doubt be soon filled with even
more mindless rubbish I suppose.
I was thinking of going freesat, but as yet, not talking boxes..
Brian

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"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
As I've not been able to find online, to link to, the PDF I received
from Digital-Logo/DigitalUK this morning, I hope I will be forgiven by
the copyright holders for reproducing its contents here unedited
(except to achieve equivalent layout) and uncommented on:

"""Non-switchover related changes to BBC satellite services

The BBC is reorganising its channel line-up on digital satellite
during September in advance of closing its ('DSat3') feed on Astra 2B
on 7 October 2011.

All TV channels and radio services will remain but some 'Enhanced TV'
(ETV) red button video streams will close on digital satellite (Sky
and Freesat) and digital cable (Virgin Media) platforms.

The BBC News, BBC Parliament and BBC ALBA TV channels will move onto
different satellite transponders with the same footprint as the BBC
One service

The current seven ETV video streams will be reduced to five and one of
the mosaic video streams used to provide embedded content in some 'red
button' applications will also be closed. The News video mosaic
stream, or 'multiscreen', is unaffected by these changes.

Most viewers will not need to take any action:

* Sky viewers should find their Sky boxes update automatically. Any
that do experience problems should call Sky on 08442 411 653.

* In most cases, Freesat viewers should not need to take any action
either. However for some Freesat models it might be necessary for the
user to turn it off and back on again, or to do a retune using the box
or TV menu. They should also check any scheduled recordings for BBC
News, BBC Parliament or BBC ALBA. Those needing help with a Freesat
box or integrated TV are being advised by the BBC to contact Freesat
on 08450 990 990 or the receiver manufacturer.

* Virgin Media uses satellite as the source for BBC standard
definition TV channels and will therefore need to make a few technical
changes, but its viewers should not need to do anything.

The details and timing

The changes will be made in two stages on dates below (these are
provisional and subject to possible change). There will also be a
period of dual-illumination where both the new and old locations for
BBC ALBA, BBC News and BBC Parliament will apply:

Phase 1: Move BBC News, BBC Parliament and BBC ALBA off DSat7 (Astra
transponder 13)
* BBC News will move to DSat2 (Astra transponder 47)
* BBC Parliament will move to DSat5 (Astra transponder 46)
* BBC ALBA will move to DSat6 (Astra transponder 48)

The services will be available in their new locations (as well as the
old) on 20 September 2011. The EPG tuning information will be updated
as follows:
22 September 2011
Freesat will change their channel lists to point to the new location
Virgin Media will update their platform
26 September 2011
Sky will update their channel listings
The dual-illumination period ends and these services will no longer be
available at their old locations.

Phase 2: Move all ETV streams to DSat7 (Astra transponder 13)
28 September 2011
Second period of dual-illumination with ETV services at old and new
locations
Virgin Media will update their platform
Freesat and Sky will change their channel lists to point to the new
location
07 October 2011
The BBC's 'DSat3' transponder feed closes

The changes are not switchover related but are in response to the BBC
Trust's review of the BBC Red Button service, published in November
2010. It challenged the BBC to reduce the cost of the Red Button
service, particularly its distribution costs and highlighted the
disparity in the number of video streams offered to satellite and
cable viewers compared with terrestrial viewers.

The tuning parameters for the remaining BBC transponders will stay the
same and these details can be found at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/...quencies.shtml
This page will be updated with the new service line-up when the BBC
has completed the changes.

The BBC has an Internet blog explaining what is happening and why at:
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/08/red_button_dsat_astra.html"""
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On 19/09/2011 15:34, Java Jive wrote:


The changes are not switchover related but are in response to the BBC
Trust's review of the BBC Red Button service, published in November
2010. It challenged the BBC to reduce the cost of the Red Button
service, particularly its distribution costs and highlighted the
disparity in the number of video streams offered to satellite and
cable viewers compared with terrestrial viewers.


So the solution to the problem that there is a disparity in the number
of video streams offered to satellite and cable viewers compared with
terrestrial viewers is to reduce the number of video streams available
to the former.

It might save cost, but most people can receive satellite or cable if
they want to!

Perhaps they should stop all the iplayer services on the grounds that
people like me in rural areas can't receive them properly because of
poor broadband.

The BBC are cutting services because the licence has not increased. Why
can't they carry on as they were? Have their costs really gone up that
much or are they just wasting money moving services out of London?

(But thank you for the post as I will have to retune my receivers.)


--
Michael Chare

I do, particularly for the extra Olympics, Tennis Grand Slam, and
Alpine Skiing coverage, though unfortunately the latter two are patchy
- there was no red button coverage of the US Open that I could find,
and Alpine Skiing is getting very diluted with ski-jumping, etc.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:36:28 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

You know, I have yet to find anyone who uses red buttons at all.
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"Java Jive" wrote in message ...
As I've not been able to find online, to link to, the PDF I received
from Digital-Logo/DigitalUK this morning,

The text is online at the blog URL mentioned in your quote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...sat_astra.html


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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:34:39 +0100
Java Jive wrote:

I do, particularly for the extra Olympics, Tennis Grand Slam, and
Alpine Skiing coverage, though unfortunately the latter two are patchy
- there was no red button coverage of the US Open that I could find,
and Alpine Skiing is getting very diluted with ski-jumping, etc.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:36:28 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

You know, I have yet to find anyone who uses red buttons at all.

I use the Red Button to get the weather forecast. Then I assume the
opposite of what I see on the TV.
--
Davey.

Can someone please post details of the PIDs, etc, of the new Red
Button channels since they were moved?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:34:56 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

The details and timing

....

Phase 2: Move all ETV streams to DSat7 (Astra transponder 13)
28 September 2011
Second period of dual-illumination with ETV services at old and new
locations
Virgin Media will update their platform
Freesat and Sky will change their channel lists to point to the new
location
07 October 2011
The BBC's 'DSat3' transponder feed closes

The tuning parameters for the remaining BBC transponders will stay the
same and these details can be found at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/...quencies.shtml
This page will be updated with the new service line-up when the BBC
has completed the changes.

The BBC has an Internet blog explaining what is happening and why at:
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/08/red_button_dsat_astra.html"""
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On 20/11/2011 20:40, Java Jive wrote:
Can someone please post details of the PIDs, etc, of the new Red
Button channels since they were moved?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:34:56 +0100, Java
wrote:

The details and timing

...

Phase 2: Move all ETV streams to DSat7 (Astra transponder 13)
28 September 2011
Second period of dual-illumination with ETV services at old and new
locations
Virgin Media will update their platform
Freesat and Sky will change their channel lists to point to the new
location
07 October 2011
The BBC's 'DSat3' transponder feed closes

The tuning parameters for the remaining BBC transponders will stay the
same and these details can be found at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/...quencies.shtml
This page will be updated with the new service line-up when the BBC
has completed the changes.

The BBC has an Internet blog explaining what is happening and why at:
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/08/red_button_dsat_astra.html"""

The Red Button streams have changed transponder and are now only 5
11954 H 27500 2/3 - SIDs: 6711 to 6715 scan as noname on my setup.

The PIDs a

SID 6711 VPID 5200 APID 5201
SID 6712 VPID 5300 APID 5301
SID 6713 VPID 5500 APID 5501
SID 6714 VPID 5600 APID 5601
SID 6715 VPID 5700 APID 5701

These VPID and APIDs seem to be the same as they were on 12441 V.

Unfortunately, with my aging FTA Dreambox, I have to enter the details
manually. Now I can do so.

Many thanks.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:23:32 +0000, Demonic
wrote:

The Red Button streams have changed transponder and are now only 5
11954 H 27500 2/3 - SIDs: 6711 to 6715 scan as noname on my setup.

The PIDs a

SID 6711 VPID 5200 APID 5201
SID 6712 VPID 5300 APID 5301
SID 6713 VPID 5500 APID 5501
SID 6714 VPID 5600 APID 5601
SID 6715 VPID 5700 APID 5701

These VPID and APIDs seem to be the same as they were on 12441 V.
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