Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

I watched it with subtitles. Watching an earlier episode on iPlayer
I couldn't make out a lot of the dialogue.

-- Richard

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:52:22 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

Peter Mullan was discussing diction and audibility on the Film
Programme last night and was defending dialogue that was difficult to
understand. I think his point has some validity, although maybe Zen
has taken the idea a bit far!

On 16/01/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

Was this via Freeview or Freesat?

I watched it on BBC1 HD via Virgin HD cable and heard no problems with
the audio.

Anyone else see it on Virgin HD?

G

On 17/01/2011 09:31, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:52:22 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

It isn't dubbed the actors are either English or they are English speaking
Italians.
In general usage 'dubbing' = dialogue replacement

In Film / TV usage 'dubbing' = final audio assembly + mixing

Guy

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Bill Taylor wrote:
Peter Mullan was discussing diction and audibility on the Film
Programme last night and was defending dialogue that was difficult to
understand. I think his point has some validity, although maybe Zen
has taken the idea a bit far!

I heard that - and I suppose it is a view if it is part of the acting. But
on Zen it's a technical quality thingie.

When personal (radio) mics are used in this sort of thing, it's normal to
apply mid frequency lift in the dub to counteract the effects of layers of
clothing, etc. To me, it sounded like they were simply used 'flat'.
There was a bed scene where a boom mic was likely used but even that was
lacking in top frequencies.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Bigguy2010 wrote:
On 16/01/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even
more obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the
closing music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

Was this via Freeview or Freesat?

Neither. I have an ordinary HD satellite receiver. But FreeView sounded
the same.

I watched it on BBC1 HD via Virgin HD cable and heard no problems with
the audio.

Perhaps you're not as critical. ;-) I listen through a very good external
sound system.

If it were a fault at 'my' end, there wouldn't have been the vast
difference in quality and level between Zen and the continuity
announcement over the closing titles.

Anyone else see it on Virgin HD?



--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Martin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:52:22 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even more
obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the closing
music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

It isn't dubbed the actors are either English or they are English
speaking Italians.

Don't know of any recorded drama that hasn't had a sound dub for the last
40 years or so. That's where any sound problems are corrected and the
music and effects added.

If it had been dubbed into a different language, there'd be even less
excuse for the appalling sound quality.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 17/01/2011 09:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
On 16/01/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode. Made even
more obvious at the end by the continuity announcer coming across the
closing music at painfully high level, and extremely bright sounding.

Wonder where Zen is dubbed? Perhaps they need their speakers set up
properly.

Was this via Freeview or Freesat?

Neither. I have an ordinary HD satellite receiver. But FreeView sounded
the same.

I watched it on BBC1 HD via Virgin HD cable and heard no problems with
the audio.

Perhaps you're not as critical. ;-) I listen through a very good external
sound system.

Having worked in pro audio , film and TV for over 30 years I would say
I'm critical enough ;-)

I was listening to it via my Bravia's internal speakers...

If it were a fault at 'my' end, there wouldn't have been the vast
difference in quality and level between Zen and the continuity
announcement over the closing titles.

Not suggesting it's your end - but there may be differences between
various feeds and various TX paths/systems.

Is Zen produced in surround sound for HD?

Is it possible that the stereo audio feed was taking the wrong mix or
channels?

It did sound OK on Virgin HD cable.


Anyone else see it on Virgin HD?

On 16/01/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Same woolly sounding dialogue again on tonight's episode.

Agreed. Many places where it was incomprehensible.

Anyone know what Zen said to the outgoing Inspector as he got into the
lift near the end of the episode?


--

Jeff