In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.
--
Ian

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , J G Miller
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers
as courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause -
no matter how misguided we may think it.

Courage is based on doing something which frightens you very much.

Thus it would only have been 'courage' for the suicide bombers if they
thought that their God would *not* want them to commit the act. Their
own belief system meant that what they did was not down to 'courage'.

I fail to be convinced each and every one of them truly believed they'd
get their reward in heaven. It's just a convenient explanation for the
West.

It still hinges on the question of if they are frightened to do what they
are in process of doing. Those who feel no fear or doubt don't need
courage.

Slainte,

Jim

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In message , Ian
writes
In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.

There are reports of the police getting within two feet of Moat. If they
had suddenly shouted "BOO!", the result would probably have been the
same.
--
Ian

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ian
saying something like:

As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.

Which is exactly what I meant by the above.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:23:37 +0100, Ian wrote:

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.

Possibly. However, the first postmortem apparently found no Taser marks
on the body. There is a possibility that the dart-like electrodes did
not penetrate Moat's clothing sufficiently to make an adequate contact
with his body.

We'll just have to wait for more details.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

In article , Ian
scribeth thus
In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.



He had plenty of opportunities to give himself up, to put down the
weapon, to surrender himself to the police...

What he didn't do is to give any opportunities to the man he shot dead
and the woman and copper he took a shot at and fortunately only wounded
them but even so they will have to live with that for the rest of their
lives...

And he was carrying unlicensed weapons as well..
--
Tony Sayer

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:31:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


I fail to be convinced each and every one of them truly believed they'd
get their reward in heaven. It's just a convenient explanation for the
West.

The 9/11 bombers, and the 7/7 bombers, were all pretty stupid - they
were hoping to go to their heaven and enjoy the favours of some
virgins - about 30?

Too thick to realise that each virgin would lose their atractiveness
after on shag.

Oh yes, very thick
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:23:37 +0100, Ian
wrote:

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Pulling the trigger may have been an involuntary reaction to being
Tasered.

Or it may not - time, and a second PM will tell
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Cheers

Peter

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:41:48 +0100, "Dave"
wrote:


" wrote in message
...
I just got in, put the telly on to see what's happening about the Mr
Moat story. Obviously I turned to the BBC as a good British citizen.
What I saw whas a recorded programme about parliament. Put Sky on,
live coverage, people on the ground, instant updates.

I'm so sad.

Bill

You should know after 20+ years that Sky News 'Milk' any big story.
Actually when you look at the coverage it is the same recorded loop running
round and round most of the time. I hate Sky News because when any big
story breaks they really milk it dry. They almost wipe their hands of
anything else that is happening in the news and just stay with the one
story. Sky news is crap in my opinion and as someone else said, who would
want to follow this ****e so heavily anyway? Want a news update I suggest
you log onto a news website either at home on on your mobile.


I suspect that is the same for all 24 hour news cannels - they have to
fill their programmes with something
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On Jul 12, 6:08*pm, tony sayer wrote:
He had plenty of opportunities to give himself up, to put down the
weapon, to surrender himself to the police...

What he didn't do is to give any opportunities to the man he shot dead
and the woman and copper he took a shot at and fortunately only wounded
them but even so they will have to live with that for the rest of their
lives...

It's absolutely disgusting that people are criticising the police
about this. While this bloke was on the run everyone was **** scared,
going "Catch him, catch him!" to the cops. When they finally nailed
him the media latched onto these idiots who wanted to say what a hero
he was. This bloke was a murderer, and he blinded a cop! He might not
have deserved to die, but he put the police in a position where they
had a hard job to keep him alive. And their priority was to contain
him, at any cost to him, to protect innocent people. When he was
caught he had 16 cartridges full of ball bearings. He was going to
commit mass murder. He had to be stopped.

I think he was mentally ill and ideally I would have liked to have
seen him rescued from the situation he had created and treated, and
hopefully rehabilitated. But it just wasn't possible.

Bill