"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Sunday, July 11th, 2010 at 19:52:46h +0100, Steve Terry declared:

but he had the courage to end himself

Killing yourself is never an act of courage.


Try it. then let me know if i'm wrong

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:15:09 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:

Try it. then let me know if i'm wrong

Trying it proves nothing, because your premise is false.

Another example would be

"Shooting a policeman is in the interests of society.

Try it and prove that it is the case."

In other words the test does not prove the supposition.

From the Annals of General Psychiatry 2008, Volume 7, Number 1

QUOTE

Myth 5: those who attempt suicide are courageous people
This myth tries to attribute suicidal behavior to a positive
personality trait.

This criterion hinders suicide prevention because it portrays
suicidal behavior as justified, as it is considered synonymous
to bravery, an asset that everybody would like to possess.

UNQUOTE

It is quite clear by your calls for people to try suicide that
you have little respect for the dignity of human life.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers
as courageous?

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J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers
as courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause - no
matter how misguided we may think it.

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"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:15:09 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:

Try it. then let me know if i'm wrong

Trying it proves nothing, because your premise is false.

Another example would be

"Shooting a policeman is in the interests of society.

Try it and prove that it is the case."

In other words the test does not prove the supposition.

From the Annals of General Psychiatry 2008, Volume 7, Number 1

QUOTE

Myth 5: those who attempt suicide are courageous people
This myth tries to attribute suicidal behavior to a positive
personality trait.

This criterion hinders suicide prevention because it portrays
suicidal behavior as justified, as it is considered synonymous
to bravery, an asset that everybody would like to possess.

UNQUOTE

It is quite clear by your calls for people to try suicide that


Psychiatry has to deny any possibility to the legitimacy of suicide
to justify it's claim of jurisdiction over it.

Shakespeare knew that, Lady Macbeth is suicidal with "out dam spot"
because of her guilt in complicity to murder.
But rightly then her physician says it's not a medial problem
so not his jurisdiction

Steve Terry
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember J G Miller saying
something like:

but he had the courage to end himself

He was a paranoid, psycho ****** - frankly, I'm glad he's gone. As it
turns out, the decision to pull the trigger might have been involuntary.
Best thing anyway.

Killing yourself is never an act of courage.


If I'm told I've got something terminal, I'll be reaching for the black
pill at the right time, matey.
Stuff those who would stand in my way.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers
as courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause - no
matter how misguided we may think it.


A better example was the WW2 German kriegsmarine U Boat force.
Their attacking of unarmed ships and not rescuing victims was despicable,
and by 1944 they knew their chances of surviving a mission was 1 in 4,
It didn't stop them going.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , J G Miller
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers as
courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause - no
matter how misguided we may think it.

Courage is based on doing something which frightens you very much.

Thus it would only have been 'courage' for the suicide bombers if they
thought that their God would *not* want them to commit the act. Their own
belief system meant that what they did was not down to 'courage'.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers
as courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause - no
matter how misguided we may think it.


A better example was the WW2 German kriegsmarine U Boat force.
Their attacking of unarmed ships and not rescuing victims was despicable,
and by 1944 they knew their chances of surviving a mission was 1 in 4,
It didn't stop them going.

The US dropped atomic weapons on effectively unarmed Japanese cities at
near zero risk to themselves. Was that an act of courage? Or the UK
bombing German cities in much the same way as attacking unarmed ships?

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , J G Miller
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:10:41 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

Have you tried it? I should say it is ...

Thus you regard the 9/11 terrorists and all other suicide bombers as
courageous?

In a very negative way, yes. They gave their life for their cause - no
matter how misguided we may think it.

Courage is based on doing something which frightens you very much.

Thus it would only have been 'courage' for the suicide bombers if they
thought that their God would *not* want them to commit the act. Their own
belief system meant that what they did was not down to 'courage'.

I fail to be convinced each and every one of them truly believed they'd
get their reward in heaven. It's just a convenient explanation for the
West.

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