In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 10th, 2010 at 18:16:26h -0700,
William Wright's Aerials observed:

and that we allow people in who have no intention of integrating
and who just want to form enclaves within the UK.

Rather like in keeping with this course of action by the
City of Stoke on Trent one presumes?

http://news.bbc.co.UK/2/hi/england/stoke_and_staffordshire/10596808.stm

Of course those who emigrate from the UK are brilliant at integrating.
That'll be why the language is English in the US, OZ and New Zealand, etc?
And why all the ex-pats in Spain speak perfect Spanish.

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:27:04 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course those who emigrate from the UK are brilliant at integrating.

In English speaking countries many usually are good at integrating.

If you look at communities in North America, you will find very strong
local ethnic clubs eg the Italian Club, the Polish Club, the Irish Club,
even Scottish Clubs, etc etc, but even if some sort of English people's club
does exist, they usually never have any meetings and unlike the others
mentioned above who have their own dedicated meeting hall, the one for
the English is located outside of the city, never open and/or delapidated.

And why all the ex-pats in Spain speak perfect Spanish.

In non-English speaking countries, it is most often a case of
taking little England with them, and stores selling non-perishable
food items from England at highly inflated prices do a roaring trade.

And of course, they never watch or listen to the local radio or tv
and almost all have "illegal" $ky subscriptions.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:27:04 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course those who emigrate from the UK are brilliant at integrating.

In English speaking countries many usually are good at integrating.

If you look at communities in North America, you will find very strong
local ethnic clubs eg the Italian Club, the Polish Club, the Irish Club,
even Scottish Clubs, etc etc, but even if some sort of English people's club
does exist, they usually never have any meetings and unlike the others
mentioned above who have their own dedicated meeting hall, the one for
the English is located outside of the city, never open and/or delapidated.

And why all the ex-pats in Spain speak perfect Spanish.

In non-English speaking countries, it is most often a case of
taking little England with them, and stores selling non-perishable
food items from England at highly inflated prices do a roaring trade.

Similarly, there are many stores that sell items dear to Polish
immigrants
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:05:40 +0100, Petert wrote:

Similarly, there are many stores that sell items dear to Polish
immigrants

Or they could go to Lidl

In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
Of course those who emigrate from the UK are brilliant at integrating.

In English speaking countries many usually are good at integrating.

Think a whoosh is in order...

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:26:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Think a whoosh is in order...

No -- I was agreeing with you in the context of emigration to
non-English language European countries, where many emigrants
do not bother to learn the language and where there is minimal
cultural integration.

With regard to Commonwealth Countries and the USofA, one needs to
consider the cultural integration which is of course much easier,
not just because of the language level.

In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
Norman Tebbutt said "get on your bike and find work",

Please do not continue to spread this false attribution
which the BBC is also guilty of spreading as misinformation.

Norman Tebbitt actually said

"I grew up in the 1930s with an unemployed father.
He did not riot. He got on his bike and looked for work ..."


PS I am no fan of Norman Tebbitt, but claiming that people
said one thing when they actually said something else is
if done knowingly and wilfully is just propagating lies.

Are you therefore saying Tebbit merely quoted his father without meaning
it to be a course of action he also recommended?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:26:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Think a whoosh is in order...

No -- I was agreeing with you in the context of emigration to
non-English language European countries, where many emigrants
do not bother to learn the language and where there is minimal
cultural integration.

With regard to Commonwealth Countries and the USofA, one needs to
consider the cultural integration which is of course much easier,
not just because of the language level.

The US, Oz and New Zealand etc were all non English speaking countries.
Nor was there any integration to speak of as regards local customs etc.

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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:
Norman Tebbutt said "get on your bike and find work",

Please do not continue to spread this false attribution
which the BBC is also guilty of spreading as misinformation.

Norman Tebbitt actually said

"I grew up in the 1930s with an unemployed father.
He did not riot. He got on his bike and looked for work ..."


PS I am no fan of Norman Tebbitt, but claiming that people
said one thing when they actually said something else is
if done knowingly and wilfully is just propagating lies.

Are you therefore saying Tebbit merely quoted his father without meaning
it to be a course of action he also recommended?

Suggesting that someone should seek work, by bicycle or other form of
transport, is not the same as telling someone to "Get on your bike!" which
is another way of saying, "**** off!"

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:23:26 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you therefore saying Tebbit merely quoted his father without
meaning it to be a course of action he also recommended?

He did not quote the words of his father.

What he was suggesting that it is a better course of action to
get a job to seek employment where it may be found than to riot.

That is a sentiment which which I would agree.

His speech was more to do with quelling civil unrest that to
providing real advice to the unemployed.

However, his comment was disingenuous because for many, they had
been seeking employment for years but because of the Conservative
and Unionist administration policy of de-industrialization, no
jobs were to be found even within bicycle riding distance.

A classic example was the privatization of the shipyards into
the hands of a cartel which rapidly closed down competing
yards which they had just bought, ensuring that sites which
had employed tens of thousands were left as vacant ghost sites.