On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:06:52 +0100, Lucky13
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 12:42, tim.... wrote:
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On 07/07/2010 06:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
So what about all those music quizzes and sing along in day centres,
blind
clubs etc all over the country. is there a roving team of undercover folk
employed by these organisations looking for victims, erm people doing
this
illegally?

Brian


Would they be protected under fair usage?

Even if you would, playing a radio in a shop and broadcasting to a couple of
hundred people who walk though is not by any stretch of the imagination,
"fair usage".

Sorry I was applying fair usage primarily to music quizzes in pubs.

This would not be counted as "fair use".
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Mark Carver wrote:
Peter Duncanson wrote:

I cannot comprehend how these laws came into existence unless there
was some serious lobbying and maybe a few incentives to the lawmakers
of the times? How many times can you charge for the same good/service?

There are NOT charging more than once for the same good/service.

In the case of a radio playing to a 'public' audience, they are. The
radio station has already paid them the same fees, based upon that
station's audience size. In the case of a BBC radio station, they've
been paid with *our* money.

Sorry, but the PRS/PPL are just a bunch of 'jobsworth fleece yer money
agents'. Come the revolution they'll be second up against the wall
(first will be Ofcom of course).

I remember the case of a garage owner being told he needed a licence
because the mechanics could switch on the radio in a customer's car.

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On 07/07/2010 14:12, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:06:52 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 12:42, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2010 06:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
So what about all those music quizzes and sing along in day centres,
blind
clubs etc all over the country. is there a roving team of undercover folk
employed by these organisations looking for victims, erm people doing
this
illegally?

Brian


Would they be protected under fair usage?

Even if you would, playing a radio in a shop and broadcasting to a couple of
hundred people who walk though is not by any stretch of the imagination,
"fair usage".

Sorry I was applying fair usage primarily to music quizzes in pubs.

This would not be counted as "fair use".

I'm struggling to find a source either way, do you have anything specific?

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:14:32 +0100, Lucky13
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 14:12, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:06:52 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 12:42, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2010 06:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
So what about all those music quizzes and sing along in day centres,
blind
clubs etc all over the country. is there a roving team of undercover folk
employed by these organisations looking for victims, erm people doing
this
illegally?

Brian


Would they be protected under fair usage?

Even if you would, playing a radio in a shop and broadcasting to a couple of
hundred people who walk though is not by any stretch of the imagination,
"fair usage".

Sorry I was applying fair usage primarily to music quizzes in pubs.

This would not be counted as "fair use".

I'm struggling to find a source either way, do you have anything specific?

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/co...work_of_others
http://www.writersservices.com/wps/s1_copyright_law.htm
http://www.consumerfocus.org.uk/news...ht-laws-by-far

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In article ,
Adrian wrote:
I remember the case of a garage owner being told he needed a licence
because the mechanics could switch on the radio in a customer's car.

Sure you remember that correctly? A garage owner was prosecuted for using
the radio as background for his customers.

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On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:36:10 +0100, Mark wrote:

I assume though that US copyright law is not exactly the same as ours?

Correct -- it is very different.

On 07/07/2010 15:58, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:14:32 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 14:12, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:06:52 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 12:42, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2010 06:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
So what about all those music quizzes and sing along in day centres,
blind
clubs etc all over the country. is there a roving team of undercover folk
employed by these organisations looking for victims, erm people doing
this
illegally?

Brian


Would they be protected under fair usage?

Even if you would, playing a radio in a shop and broadcasting to a couple of
hundred people who walk though is not by any stretch of the imagination,
"fair usage".

Sorry I was applying fair usage primarily to music quizzes in pubs.

This would not be counted as "fair use".

I'm struggling to find a source either way, do you have anything specific?

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/co...work_of_others
http://www.writersservices.com/wps/s1_copyright_law.htm
http://www.consumerfocus.org.uk/news...ht-laws-by-far


Ah from your links I see that from a UK Copyright point of view that it
wouldn't be covered under "fair dealing", however I wonder if PPL/PRS
have any sort of fair usage scheme or whether they chase pub quiz
masters up and down the country. Maybe a playback of "x

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:11:54 +0100, Lucky13
wrote:

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/hairdresse..._bill_1_806721

He argued, lost, and had to pay his legal expenses. He presumably
thought it was worth a try.

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:38:26 +0100, Lucky13
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 15:58, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:14:32 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 14:12, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:06:52 +0100,
wrote:

On 07/07/2010 12:42, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2010 06:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
So what about all those music quizzes and sing along in day centres,
blind
clubs etc all over the country. is there a roving team of undercover folk
employed by these organisations looking for victims, erm people doing
this
illegally?

Brian


Would they be protected under fair usage?

Even if you would, playing a radio in a shop and broadcasting to a couple of
hundred people who walk though is not by any stretch of the imagination,
"fair usage".

Sorry I was applying fair usage primarily to music quizzes in pubs.

This would not be counted as "fair use".

I'm struggling to find a source either way, do you have anything specific?

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/co...work_of_others
http://www.writersservices.com/wps/s1_copyright_law.htm
http://www.consumerfocus.org.uk/news...ht-laws-by-far


Ah from your links I see that from a UK Copyright point of view that it
wouldn't be covered under "fair dealing", however I wonder if PPL/PRS
have any sort of fair usage scheme or whether they chase pub quiz
masters up and down the country. Maybe a playback of "x

I would imagine that they would chase pub quizzes to get their pound
of flesh if it was feasible for them to do so. However it is possible
that the pub would already have paid their license fees so the quiz
would be covered already.
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(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
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In article ,
Mark wrote:
Ah from your links I see that from a UK Copyright point of view that it
wouldn't be covered under "fair dealing", however I wonder if PPL/PRS
have any sort of fair usage scheme or whether they chase pub quiz
masters up and down the country. Maybe a playback of "x

I would imagine that they would chase pub quizzes to get their pound
of flesh if it was feasible for them to do so. However it is possible
that the pub would already have paid their license fees so the quiz
would be covered already.

Most pubs have a TV which could be playing music on occasion and also a
sound system. Would the licences from those cover things?

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