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Having turned out not to have been affected by the end of InView
EPG service - my FVRT90 promptly died.

When I went to use it the power LED came on and then it froze, so I
unplugged it for 30 seconds and plugged it back in, whereupon the
7 segment display run through the Klingon alphabet and then went
blank.

Hopefully it only needs a PSU recap or dry joints sorting out -
otherwise I'll have to put up with the less than favourite Techwood
(Vestel) and the POS Nikkai barebones.
Does it do that every time you cold boot it now?

Could be the flash is worn out or the drive is knackered. I think
the test pattern comes up when there are channels stored but the
drive is not formatted (ie it thinks its in the factory). I'm not
entirely sure.
A full PSU recap fixed it - its my favourite PVR so I beefed up the
main smoothing electrolytics with 10uF multilayer ceramic chip
capacitors on the print side.

There's also a 1uF electrolytic in the regulation circuit on the
primary side, if this fails the PSU can go bang - it wasn't hard to
find a non-electrolytic 1uF that will never dry out.

The mains rectifier reservoir capacitor was a flimsy ordinary type
with lead wires instead of riveted tags like this component should
have - I drilled new holes and fitted a propper one.

All of the electrolytics (except the 3 directly on the cathodes of
the 3 rectifiers) looked cheap & nasty - the ESR readings didn't look
all that bad, but evidently too high for the PSU to work correctly.
Cool, useful to know when mine goes. Perhaps the 12v for the drive
went down. Did you find the faulty location(s)?
The PSU was working (sort of) but the voltages were all high except the
3.3V and it probably had too much HF ripple upsetting the logic board.

I was lucky the overal deterioration of the electrolytics caused
symptoms I couldn't ignore.

There's a couple of small electrolytics on the primary side that can
cause gradual regulation failure as the ESR increases - capacitors with
high ESR get a degree of self heating from the ripple current, if
allowed to cool the ESR increases a lot with the result that the PSU
can go bang if the mains goes off for a while and comes back on.

One of these critical electrolytics is only 1uF - not hard to find a
non-electrolytic replacement small enough to fit.

If your's is anywhere near 10 years or more old, I'd reccomend a recap
before it does go bang. Use the best high temp - low ESR electrolytics
you can get hold of.

I got 10uF multilayer ceramic chip capacitors to pad the 6 secondary
side smoothers from a scrap LCD TV, but you should be able to order
similar from the likes of Farnell.
I may have been involved in its manufacture. Does it have an 'N' in the
serial number?
Didn't look and its wedged in the AV stack with me watching TV its
decoding.

The PSU was bought in assembled from a reputable manufacturer but we
didn't control the AVL for the parts in it. I am very particular about
electrolitics.

Something I should have made a note of is the part number of the
TOPswitch chip - if at any time the PSU blows, the chip usually shatters
making the number unreadable.

In this product or just SMPS in general? The part is a Power Integrations
TOP244P according to my schematic.


Would you consider scanning & posting that please???

May I suggest News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic to upload.


My NG provider doesn't give access to binaries. Any other suggestions?

The 33uF you mentioned - the only 33uF I remember seeing was the 400V mains
rectifier reservoir, this had wire leadouts instead of the riveted tags on
high ripple current parts, I found a suitable replacement with proper lugs -
requiring new holes to be drilled.


Yes that is the one, Its only large CVs that are riveted IME. Something
about the design (perhaps the topswitch) allowed a low CV to be used
here, but as we know it is a low ESR type which is unusual for the position.


--
Tony

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Having turned out not to have been affected by the end of InView
EPG service - my FVRT90 promptly died.

When I went to use it the power LED came on and then it froze, so
I unplugged it for 30 seconds and plugged it back in, whereupon
the 7 segment display run through the Klingon alphabet and then
went blank.

Hopefully it only needs a PSU recap or dry joints sorting out -
otherwise I'll have to put up with the less than favourite
Techwood (Vestel) and the POS Nikkai barebones.
Does it do that every time you cold boot it now?

Could be the flash is worn out or the drive is knackered. I think
the test pattern comes up when there are channels stored but the
drive is not formatted (ie it thinks its in the factory). I'm not
entirely sure.
A full PSU recap fixed it - its my favourite PVR so I beefed up the
main smoothing electrolytics with 10uF multilayer ceramic chip
capacitors on the print side.

There's also a 1uF electrolytic in the regulation circuit on the
primary side, if this fails the PSU can go bang - it wasn't hard to
find a non-electrolytic 1uF that will never dry out.

The mains rectifier reservoir capacitor was a flimsy ordinary type
with lead wires instead of riveted tags like this component should
have - I drilled new holes and fitted a propper one.

All of the electrolytics (except the 3 directly on the cathodes of
the 3 rectifiers) looked cheap & nasty - the ESR readings didn't
look all that bad, but evidently too high for the PSU to work
correctly.
Cool, useful to know when mine goes. Perhaps the 12v for the drive
went down. Did you find the faulty location(s)?
The PSU was working (sort of) but the voltages were all high except
the 3.3V and it probably had too much HF ripple upsetting the logic
board.

I was lucky the overal deterioration of the electrolytics caused
symptoms I couldn't ignore.

There's a couple of small electrolytics on the primary side that can
cause gradual regulation failure as the ESR increases - capacitors
with high ESR get a degree of self heating from the ripple current,
if allowed to cool the ESR increases a lot with the result that the
PSU can go bang if the mains goes off for a while and comes back on.

One of these critical electrolytics is only 1uF - not hard to find a
non-electrolytic replacement small enough to fit.

If your's is anywhere near 10 years or more old, I'd reccomend a
recap before it does go bang. Use the best high temp - low ESR
electrolytics you can get hold of.

I got 10uF multilayer ceramic chip capacitors to pad the 6 secondary
side smoothers from a scrap LCD TV, but you should be able to order
similar from the likes of Farnell.
I may have been involved in its manufacture. Does it have an 'N' in
the serial number?
Didn't look and its wedged in the AV stack with me watching TV its
decoding.

The PSU was bought in assembled from a reputable manufacturer but we
didn't control the AVL for the parts in it. I am very particular
about electrolitics.

Something I should have made a note of is the part number of the
TOPswitch chip - if at any time the PSU blows, the chip usually
shatters making the number unreadable.

In this product or just SMPS in general? The part is a Power
Integrations TOP244P according to my schematic.


Would you consider scanning & posting that please???

May I suggest News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic to upload.


My NG provider doesn't give access to binaries. Any other suggestions?


On an occasion that the Virgin server was unreliable, I used a free server -
here's a partial list:


freenews.netfront.net

aioe.org

allnews.readfreenews.net

news.gmane.org

news.antakira.com

news4.fido7.ru

ddt.demos.su

193.175.175.156

news.stben.net

news.amu.edu.pl

news-archive.icm.edu.pl

news.icp.pl

fifi.woody.ch



I'm pretty sure more than one of these worked.

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Having turned out not to have been affected by the end of InView
EPG service - my FVRT90 promptly died.

When I went to use it the power LED came on and then it froze,
so I unplugged it for 30 seconds and plugged it back in,
whereupon the 7 segment display run through the Klingon alphabet
and then went blank.

Hopefully it only needs a PSU recap or dry joints sorting out -
otherwise I'll have to put up with the less than favourite
Techwood (Vestel) and the POS Nikkai barebones.
Does it do that every time you cold boot it now?

Could be the flash is worn out or the drive is knackered. I
think the test pattern comes up when there are channels stored
but the drive is not formatted (ie it thinks its in the factory).
I'm not entirely sure.
A full PSU recap fixed it - its my favourite PVR so I beefed up
the main smoothing electrolytics with 10uF multilayer ceramic chip
capacitors on the print side.

There's also a 1uF electrolytic in the regulation circuit on the
primary side, if this fails the PSU can go bang - it wasn't hard
to find a non-electrolytic 1uF that will never dry out.

The mains rectifier reservoir capacitor was a flimsy ordinary type
with lead wires instead of riveted tags like this component should
have - I drilled new holes and fitted a propper one.

All of the electrolytics (except the 3 directly on the cathodes of
the 3 rectifiers) looked cheap & nasty - the ESR readings didn't
look all that bad, but evidently too high for the PSU to work
correctly.
Cool, useful to know when mine goes. Perhaps the 12v for the drive
went down. Did you find the faulty location(s)?
The PSU was working (sort of) but the voltages were all high except
the 3.3V and it probably had too much HF ripple upsetting the logic
board.

I was lucky the overal deterioration of the electrolytics caused
symptoms I couldn't ignore.

There's a couple of small electrolytics on the primary side that can
cause gradual regulation failure as the ESR increases - capacitors
with high ESR get a degree of self heating from the ripple current,
if allowed to cool the ESR increases a lot with the result that the
PSU can go bang if the mains goes off for a while and comes back on.

One of these critical electrolytics is only 1uF - not hard to find a
non-electrolytic replacement small enough to fit.

If your's is anywhere near 10 years or more old, I'd reccomend a
recap before it does go bang. Use the best high temp - low ESR
electrolytics you can get hold of.

I got 10uF multilayer ceramic chip capacitors to pad the 6 secondary
side smoothers from a scrap LCD TV, but you should be able to order
similar from the likes of Farnell.
I may have been involved in its manufacture. Does it have an 'N' in
the serial number?
Didn't look and its wedged in the AV stack with me watching TV its
decoding.

The PSU was bought in assembled from a reputable manufacturer but we
didn't control the AVL for the parts in it. I am very particular
about electrolitics.

Something I should have made a note of is the part number of the
TOPswitch chip - if at any time the PSU blows, the chip usually
shatters making the number unreadable.

In this product or just SMPS in general? The part is a Power
Integrations TOP244P according to my schematic.


Would you consider scanning & posting that please???

May I suggest News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic to upload.


My NG provider doesn't give access to binaries. Any other suggestions?


On an occasion that the Virgin server was unreliable, I used a free
server - here's a partial list:


freenews.netfront.net

aioe.org

allnews.readfreenews.net

news.gmane.org

news.antakira.com

news4.fido7.ru

ddt.demos.su

193.175.175.156

news.stben.net

news.amu.edu.pl

news-archive.icm.edu.pl

news.icp.pl

fifi.woody.ch



I'm pretty sure more than one of these worked.


The first on the list gets News:alt.binaries.e-book.technical - I'm
subscribed to that group.

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ian field wrote:
Having turned out not to have been affected by the end of
InView EPG service - my FVRT90 promptly died.

When I went to use it the power LED came on and then it froze,
so I unplugged it for 30 seconds and plugged it back in,
whereupon the 7 segment display run through the Klingon
alphabet and then went blank.

Hopefully it only needs a PSU recap or dry joints sorting out -
otherwise I'll have to put up with the less than favourite
Techwood (Vestel) and the POS Nikkai barebones.
Does it do that every time you cold boot it now?

Could be the flash is worn out or the drive is knackered. I
think the test pattern comes up when there are channels stored
but the drive is not formatted (ie it thinks its in the
factory). I'm not entirely sure.
A full PSU recap fixed it - its my favourite PVR so I beefed up
the main smoothing electrolytics with 10uF multilayer ceramic
chip capacitors on the print side.

There's also a 1uF electrolytic in the regulation circuit on the
primary side, if this fails the PSU can go bang - it wasn't hard
to find a non-electrolytic 1uF that will never dry out.

The mains rectifier reservoir capacitor was a flimsy ordinary
type with lead wires instead of riveted tags like this component
should have - I drilled new holes and fitted a propper one.

All of the electrolytics (except the 3 directly on the cathodes
of the 3 rectifiers) looked cheap & nasty - the ESR readings
didn't look all that bad, but evidently too high for the PSU to
work correctly.
Cool, useful to know when mine goes. Perhaps the 12v for the
drive went down. Did you find the faulty location(s)?
The PSU was working (sort of) but the voltages were all high except
the 3.3V and it probably had too much HF ripple upsetting the logic
board.

I was lucky the overal deterioration of the electrolytics caused
symptoms I couldn't ignore.

There's a couple of small electrolytics on the primary side that
can cause gradual regulation failure as the ESR increases -
capacitors with high ESR get a degree of self heating from the
ripple current, if allowed to cool the ESR increases a lot with the
result that the PSU can go bang if the mains goes off for a while
and comes back on.

One of these critical electrolytics is only 1uF - not hard to find
a non-electrolytic replacement small enough to fit.

If your's is anywhere near 10 years or more old, I'd reccomend a
recap before it does go bang. Use the best high temp - low ESR
electrolytics you can get hold of.

I got 10uF multilayer ceramic chip capacitors to pad the 6
secondary side smoothers from a scrap LCD TV, but you should be
able to order similar from the likes of Farnell.
I may have been involved in its manufacture. Does it have an 'N' in
the serial number?
Didn't look and its wedged in the AV stack with me watching TV its
decoding.

The PSU was bought in assembled from a reputable manufacturer but we
didn't control the AVL for the parts in it. I am very particular
about electrolitics.

Something I should have made a note of is the part number of the
TOPswitch chip - if at any time the PSU blows, the chip usually
shatters making the number unreadable.

In this product or just SMPS in general? The part is a Power
Integrations TOP244P according to my schematic.


Would you consider scanning & posting that please???

May I suggest News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic to upload.


My NG provider doesn't give access to binaries. Any other suggestions?


On an occasion that the Virgin server was unreliable, I used a free
server - here's a partial list:


freenews.netfront.net

aioe.org

allnews.readfreenews.net

news.gmane.org

news.antakira.com

news4.fido7.ru

ddt.demos.su

193.175.175.156

news.stben.net

news.amu.edu.pl

news-archive.icm.edu.pl

news.icp.pl

fifi.woody.ch



I'm pretty sure more than one of these worked.


The first on the list gets News:alt.binaries.e-book.technical - I'm
subscribed to that group.


This server:
allnews.readfreenews.net



Has loads of binaries includinf electronics.schematics and
e-books.technical - and thousands of dirty pictures binaries!

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Having turned out not to have been affected by the end of
InView EPG service - my FVRT90 promptly died.

When I went to use it the power LED came on and then it froze,
so I unplugged it for 30 seconds and plugged it back in,
whereupon the 7 segment display run through the Klingon
alphabet and then went blank.

Hopefully it only needs a PSU recap or dry joints sorting
out - otherwise I'll have to put up with the less than
favourite Techwood (Vestel) and the POS Nikkai barebones.
Does it do that every time you cold boot it now?

Could be the flash is worn out or the drive is knackered. I
think the test pattern comes up when there are channels stored
but the drive is not formatted (ie it thinks its in the
factory). I'm not entirely sure.
A full PSU recap fixed it - its my favourite PVR so I beefed up
the main smoothing electrolytics with 10uF multilayer ceramic
chip capacitors on the print side.

There's also a 1uF electrolytic in the regulation circuit on the
primary side, if this fails the PSU can go bang - it wasn't hard
to find a non-electrolytic 1uF that will never dry out.

The mains rectifier reservoir capacitor was a flimsy ordinary
type with lead wires instead of riveted tags like this component
should have - I drilled new holes and fitted a propper one.

All of the electrolytics (except the 3 directly on the cathodes
of the 3 rectifiers) looked cheap & nasty - the ESR readings
didn't look all that bad, but evidently too high for the PSU to
work correctly.
Cool, useful to know when mine goes. Perhaps the 12v for the
drive went down. Did you find the faulty location(s)?
The PSU was working (sort of) but the voltages were all high
except the 3.3V and it probably had too much HF ripple upsetting
the logic board.

I was lucky the overal deterioration of the electrolytics caused
symptoms I couldn't ignore.

There's a couple of small electrolytics on the primary side that
can cause gradual regulation failure as the ESR increases -
capacitors with high ESR get a degree of self heating from the
ripple current, if allowed to cool the ESR increases a lot with
the result that the PSU can go bang if the mains goes off for a
while and comes back on.

One of these critical electrolytics is only 1uF - not hard to find
a non-electrolytic replacement small enough to fit.

If your's is anywhere near 10 years or more old, I'd reccomend a
recap before it does go bang. Use the best high temp - low ESR
electrolytics you can get hold of.

I got 10uF multilayer ceramic chip capacitors to pad the 6
secondary side smoothers from a scrap LCD TV, but you should be
able to order similar from the likes of Farnell.
I may have been involved in its manufacture. Does it have an 'N'
in the serial number?
Didn't look and its wedged in the AV stack with me watching TV its
decoding.

The PSU was bought in assembled from a reputable manufacturer but
we didn't control the AVL for the parts in it. I am very
particular about electrolitics.

Something I should have made a note of is the part number of the
TOPswitch chip - if at any time the PSU blows, the chip usually
shatters making the number unreadable.

In this product or just SMPS in general? The part is a Power
Integrations TOP244P according to my schematic.


Would you consider scanning & posting that please???

May I suggest News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic to upload.


My NG provider doesn't give access to binaries. Any other suggestions?


On an occasion that the Virgin server was unreliable, I used a free
server - here's a partial list:


freenews.netfront.net

aioe.org

allnews.readfreenews.net

news.gmane.org

news.antakira.com

news4.fido7.ru

ddt.demos.su

193.175.175.156

news.stben.net

news.amu.edu.pl

news-archive.icm.edu.pl

news.icp.pl

fifi.woody.ch



I'm pretty sure more than one of these worked.


The first on the list gets News:alt.binaries.e-book.technical - I'm
subscribed to that group.


This server:
allnews.readfreenews.net



Has loads of binaries includinf electronics.schematics and
e-books.technical - and thousands of dirty pictures binaries!

This one is tested:
freenews.netfront.net

It gets posts on both alt.binaries.e-book.technical and
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:37:51 +0100, ian field
wrote:

It gets posts on both alt.binaries.e-book.technical and
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic

Do you know what snipping is and when to use it?
Clearly not since you posted all this crap 4 times without even bothering.
There are so many tedious people in these groups these days it's hardly
worth bothering to read any more.

"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:37:51 +0100, ian field

wrote:

It gets posts on both alt.binaries.e-book.technical and
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic

Do you know what snipping is and when to use it?
Clearly not since you posted all this crap 4 times without even bothering.
There are so many tedious people in these groups these days it's hardly
worth bothering to read any more.


I'd have to try a lot harder to be as tedious as you!

On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:21:29 +0100, ian field
wrote:

Do you know what snipping is and when to use it?
Clearly not since you posted all this crap 4 times without even bothering.
There are so many tedious people in these groups these days it's hardly
worth bothering to read any more.

I'd have to try a lot harder to be as tedious as you!

Typically predictable response from an inconsiderate person.
"I'll do what I like and **** you" type mentality so prevalent in this
country today.

"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:21:29 +0100, ian field

wrote:

Do you know what snipping is and when to use it?
Clearly not since you posted all this crap 4 times without even
bothering.
There are so many tedious people in these groups these days it's hardly
worth bothering to read any more.

I'd have to try a lot harder to be as tedious as you!

Typically predictable response from an inconsiderate person.
"I'll do what I like and **** you" type mentality so prevalent in this
country today.


I was doing my best to help out someone who doesn't have access to a
binaries server and you decided to appoint yourself chief worthless
jobsworth and take exception to my efforts to help someone.

I haven't forgotten the last time you kept whingeing like a spoilt brat at
everything I posted.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:55:38 +0100, ian field
wrote:

I was doing my best to help out someone who doesn't have access to a
binaries server and you decided to appoint yourself chief worthless
jobsworth and take exception to my efforts to help someone.

I wasn't taking exception to what you were doing, but how you went about
it.

I haven't forgotten the last time you kept whingeing like a spoilt brat at
everything I posted.

You obviously haven't learnt from your mistakes then.