On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:46:17 +0100, Gary wrote:

Waitrose don't make cows. Tesco don't make cows.

But ASDA did pasteurize their own milk.

It is trust to the quality of supply.

Like this brand eh?

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:07:31 +0100, Alan
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In message , chunkyoldcortina
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Brian Gaff wrote:

Who runs goodmans these days, I've lost track, is it anothe Argos
badge?
I know Argos have been selling talking phones and other stuff of
that ilk of late, most of it aimed at 'senior citizens' apparently.

Harvard.

http://www.harvardplc.com/brands_overview

Harvard used to own Bush and Alba too but they sold those brands to Argos.

I believe that Argos have also been branding no-name TVs with the
Hitachi brand.

I thought Hitachi (among others) were buying the likes of Vestel kit
and sticking their badge on it.

Some of these people actually manufacture some but not all of the
products they brand.

Apocryphal story - when Ford sold their Transcontinental truck in
Europe, the MD said

"It has a Cummins engine, Fuller gearbox, Rockwell axles, Berliet cab,
and it's assembled by DAF in their Belgian factory"

"What do Ford make?"

"The profit!"

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J G Miller wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 07:54:31 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:
I understand Grundig is another mobile name these days.

Because Grundig went bankrupt. The asset strippers got the name and
it was sold on.

Incidentally you do know that although Roberts Radio is an Irish owned
company (Glen Dimplex is the parent), they no longer make radios
themselves?

even in the days when they were independant, they didn't make everything
sold under the Roberts name. their radios which incorporated cassette
players were 'specially made for Roberts in the Peoples Republic of China'.

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Really, I thought Hitachi still existed, though most of the major Japanese
names seem to be just brand engineers these days, sadly.


I can't say about Hitachi for sure, but several of the big players
will licence out their brand. Panasonic, for example, don't make DECT
phones. But other DECT phone makers can licence the Panasonic brand
and put it on their own phones. Obviously there will be various
safeguards and procedures in place to protect the Panasonic brand values.

It's all very disappointing, because it's rapidly getting to the point
where the brand on any product says little or nothing about who made
it, where it was made, its quality, its performance, and so on.

Interestingly, my new Linsar 16" TV responds to many of the functions
of the remote control for the old 14" Goodmans TV it is replacing (but,
again interestingly, not vice versa). Does this suggest that Linsar are
made by whoever make Goodmans?

You can get a clue from the dtg ota download schedule.

The Vestel upgrade is for these,

T8300 (Bush DVB680 / Ferguson F02HDB / Xenius DVBX100HD / Linsar FHD1 /
Antiference HDSB / Metronic T2HD / ISIS ISI-DVBT2 / Finlux DVBT2665 /
Technika STBHDV2010 / Digihome Freeview HD Box / Luxor LUX-DVBT2-690 /
Krystel DVBT2 / Lowry GSHDSTB1001)

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Yes, they used at one time to be the sole suppliers for Wireless for the
Blind, a charity which surely needs to change its name these days, now
they are selling internet radios!

Why? Most Internet radios use Wi-Fi.

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Max Demian

Gary wrote:

"Alan" wrote in message
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In message , Brian Gaff
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I've always wondered quite how you can just own a name and nothing much
else. I understand Grundig is another mobile name these days.


Yep, the brand names are to fool some of the people all of the time.
These days the same electronics will be sold under 4 brand names at
vastly different pricing because some of the public believe brand A to
be better than brand B.

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All of you have missed what branding is. Branding is a trusted supplier.

Agreed

It has never been about manufacturer.

Most people including gov't all refer to brands as manufacturers, it is
what they expect.

The first brand was coop. It was about being able to trust the Milk was
not watered down. It was that the bread was not made with shoddy flour.

Waitrose don't make cows. Tesco don't make cows. It is trust to the
quality of supply.


Panasonic don't sell factories, the comparison is incorrect.

When you buy a Rolls Royce the parts are made by lots of companies. VW
own it but it isn't a Volkswagen( or is it BMW)
A Lexus is made by Toyota


There are indeed many many levels of refinement needed before a product
is sold, and many chains of company owners. However people still expect
a manufacturer to do something of added value to the product. Repair
and support is not added value in engineering terms, it is merely defect
compensation.

The brand means that the original VHS machines were almost all identical
but if you got a JVC the support was from JVC not Ferguson.

I think thats a bit of an overstatement, most of the eary VCRs where all
different, I guess depends how old you are, I know in the 1990s the
slimline VCRs branding was alot more common.

Just like
cow's the results to you as a consumer are different. Not the starting
product.

There seem also to be confusion as to if a panel TV has a Samsung
display then is it a Samsung. NO it is not. Unless Samsung sell it. (
All equipment is made with components supplied from many manufacturers
It is not brand swapping)

Philips v2ooo machines were sold by B&O in the early days. Philips
service was good but B&O had a much better customer support and returns
policy. You could not send a B&O to Philips for repair.( the machines
were bad) .

People can say. It should be good it is a ????. ( Insert name) It is
crap it is a ??????. and because of brand it is valid.

The only thing that is a problem is where companies have allowed shops
to use their name like Kenwood have allowed Curry's to sell microwaves
in the Kenwood name but the support is curry's not Kenwood. That is not
the way it should work. That is a con!!


Its not just shops, there are many brand only companies and IMO they
have lost their way, they are simply divesting the brand. They are
gradually loosing their expertise as they have no or little experience
of manufacturing, design or quality control, so the brand is dying on a
technical level. What they do do with it is mostly marketing spending
(or just sales really), to boost the brand image, and perhaps spend a $1
on a more expensive looking front panel and remote. However that seems
to work well for many of them, you just need to tell people something is
good or it will make their lives better and they mostly believe it.

Many of the designs come from the far east and it seems very little
effort is spent on controlling quality. They make sure the product
basically works before it leaves the factory but not much else.

Unfortunately this means that the experienced manufacturers will tend to
go out of business as people mostly buy the crap.

--
Tony

Alan wrote:
In message , chunkyoldcortina
wrote
Brian Gaff wrote:

Who runs goodmans these days, I've lost track, is it anothe Argos
badge?
I know Argos have been selling talking phones and other stuff of
that ilk of late, most of it aimed at 'senior citizens' apparently.

Harvard.

http://www.harvardplc.com/brands_overview

Harvard used to own Bush and Alba too but they sold those brands to
Argos.

I believe that Argos have also been branding no-name TVs with the
Hitachi brand.


You believe wrongly. It is not Argos who are doing that but Hitachi.