The older aerials (and aerial remenants) in our street are all on the quite
tall chimney stacks.

Quite a few recent aerials have been installed on a gable end above a
bedroom window - works because the street is aligned with the transmitter.

Is this just an easier way of doing things, or does the safety elf not allow
you to go above two storeys on a ladder anymore, and thus prevent you doing
installs on chimneys without scaffolding?

Cheers

Dave R

On Jan 18, 7:38*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
The older aerials (and aerial remenants) in our street are all on the quite
tall chimney stacks.

Quite a few recent aerials have been installed on a gable end above a
bedroom window - works because the street is aligned with the transmitter..

Is this just an easier way of doing things, or does the safety elf not allow
you to go above two storeys on a ladder anymore, and thus prevent you doing
installs on chimneys without scaffolding?

Cheers

Dave R

It's just cowboys at work.

Bill

One thing I've found is that there seems to be a lot more neighbour problems
now, and if you put lashings around a chimney, usually this means around
the neighbours side as well, and thereafter, any problem with the chimney is
your fault...
Brian

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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The older aerials (and aerial remenants) in our street are all on the
quite tall chimney stacks.

Quite a few recent aerials have been installed on a gable end above a
bedroom window - works because the street is aligned with the transmitter.

Is this just an easier way of doing things, or does the safety elf not
allow you to go above two storeys on a ladder anymore, and thus prevent
you doing installs on chimneys without scaffolding?

Cheers

Dave R

I think to know if its cowboys, you need to see what plugs they used in the
wall. A well versed cowboy will..
Put the brackets too close together for the height of the mast, and use
ordinary rawl plugs and screws to fix it. You may also ask them to make one
more cowboy adjustment as their signature.

Use an aerial whose plastic bits fall off just after the warranty runs out.
This requires skill on behalf of the installer to determine how much effect
the local pigeons and magpies have on the crap plastic, and just how much to
overtighten the screws, assuming it actually has screws.

Another great wheeze to shorten the life is to do the clamp up really
tightly and crush the seeamed tube thy use for the mast just enough so a
big gale will bend it.

And we have not even started on the electrical problems yet.

However, it may be a perfectly acceptable job on a gable end, and indeed, if
the orientation is right, it can hide the aerial from the clipboard wielding
council conservation area inspector quite well.

Brian

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On Jan 18, 7:38 pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
The older aerials (and aerial remenants) in our street are all on the
quite
tall chimney stacks.

Quite a few recent aerials have been installed on a gable end above a
bedroom window - works because the street is aligned with the transmitter.

Is this just an easier way of doing things, or does the safety elf not
allow
you to go above two storeys on a ladder anymore, and thus prevent you
doing
installs on chimneys without scaffolding?

Cheers

Dave R

It's just cowboys at work.

Bill

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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... and they can only reach that far up when standing on their horses!

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:12:23 -0800 (PST), "
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It's just cowboys at work.

I think that sometimes you are both a little too quick to categorise other
fitters as 'cowboys'.

Brian has a much more even handed approach.

At first look it is at least no worse than the various rooftop
installations.

The installer has also been around for twenty years or more so if he is a
cowboy his spurs are probably getting a little rusty by now!

On Jan 20, 4:34*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
"Java Jive" wrote in message
I think that sometimes you are both a little too quick to categorise other
fitters as 'cowboys'.

Yes, well I suppose I was generalising. But the fact is, I see so many
aerials and dishes installed low down when they should be high up, and
the only feasible reasons are that the installer was too lazy to do
his job properly or he hadn't got a long enough ladder. In either case
they are cowboys. The worst instances have the fixing low down and a
very long mast to try to make up the height.

Bill

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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I think that, in my case at least, you are a little too slow to see
the joke ...

Does this help?
:-)


Ah! Yes, I speak ;-) :-0 etc.

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On Jan 20, 4:34 pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
"Java Jive" wrote in message
I think that sometimes you are both a little too quick to categorise other
fitters as 'cowboys'.

Yes, well I suppose I was generalising. But the fact is, I see so many
aerials and dishes installed low down when they should be high up, and
the only feasible reasons are that the installer was too lazy to do
his job properly or he hadn't got a long enough ladder. In either case
they are cowboys. The worst instances have the fixing low down and a
very long mast to try to make up the height.


I am constantly tempted to photograph some of the unusual aerial
installations around here.

I think most can be explained by the arrival of Virgin Cable and loss of
interest in broadcast TV, but there are a few interesting installations
including one kickass mast with loads of aerials on and enough wire rigging
to make a tall ship jealous.

I have noted that all recent installations (from all installers) have
featured a reflector made out of two oven shelves and a row of elements
modelled on an X-wing fighter.

Not spotted a Band E anywhere, although that is all Woolfbane says is
needed.

Off subject
All the adverts talk about 'Digital aerials' however I suspect this is
because the Great British Public have heard about 'going digital' and
consequently want a digital aerial and none of this technical crap sonny.
Can't really blame the installers if they offer the consumer what they
'understand'.
Further off subject
Reminds me of the growth of Broadband, which is a technical term for a
transmission method (broadband as opposed to narrow band).
e.g. "Broadband
A broadband connection can transfer more than one type of data at the same
time, and at high speed, so you can have internet access and phone on one
line."
but which came to be associated by the technically illiterate as 'fast' - so
much so that the term 'Broadband' was formally redefined as meaning 'above a
certain transmission speed' (0.5Mb/sec?).
Technical accuracy straight out of the window.
/Further off subject
/Off subject

Hah!

I blame the insert here for it.
Britain for the insert here.

Gah! Off for my medication.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:47:33 -0000, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:

A broadband connection can transfer more than one type of data at the same
time, and at high speed, so you can have internet access and phone on one
line."
but which came to be associated by the technically illiterate as 'fast' - so
much so that the term 'Broadband' was formally redefined as meaning 'above a
certain transmission speed' (0.5Mb/sec?).

My broadband via a BT phone line was operating at 160kbps download (yes,
0.16 Mb) and 448kbps upload a few days ago. It is running much faster
since BT replaced the tree-damaged overhead cable between my house and
the roadside pole.


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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:13:25 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:47:33 -0000, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:

A broadband connection can transfer more than one type of data at the same
time, and at high speed, so you can have internet access and phone on one
line."
but which came to be associated by the technically illiterate as 'fast' - so
much so that the term 'Broadband' was formally redefined as meaning 'above a
certain transmission speed' (0.5Mb/sec?).

My broadband via a BT phone line was operating at 160kbps download (yes,
0.16 Mb) and 448kbps upload a few days ago. It is running much faster
since BT replaced the tree-damaged overhead cable between my house and
the roadside pole.

I forgot to mention the most technically interesting bit. The overhead
cable had had the insulation rubbed off it leaving some of the
conductors in contact with part of a tree. There were times when I could
establish a broadband connection only by making a phone call (to
anywhere). I can only assume that this altered the voltage and current
involving the conductors and the damp tree in a way that made conditions
more favourable for ADSL.

The broadband connection was maintained during the phone call and for a
minute or two after.

Spooky!


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